I think the "pull-open hatch doors on the floor of the bridge" in front of the Helm/Navigation console are found on the "Main Bridge" diagram in the book "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise."
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What Set Was Missing Fron TOS?
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I think the "pull-open hatch doors on the floor of the bridge" in front of the Helm/Navigation console are found on the "Main Bridge" diagram in the book "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise."
When all else fails, maybe Kirk and the bridge crew could have used intra-ship beaning like they did in "Day of the Dove".
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Here’s the cost breakdown of “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” scanned from The Making of Star Trek. According to the book, production ran $12,000 over budget.
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To make the Enterprise a more realistic space vessel...
1: She needs an airlock
2: We need to see something other than Auxiliary Control being used for "stellar cartography"
3: We need to see the "under hangar" area where presumably shuttlecraft (and other vehicles?) are stored and serviced (and possibly dismantled/assembled?)
4: We need to see an ENT "Minefield"-style spacewalk
5: There really ought to be a TOS-style travel pod deployed at some point
To see the Enterprise as a more clearly defined vessel of science and other work...
1: We need to see more science labs and similar work areas
2: It would be great to see Uhura visit her work crew in the Cryptography Room
3: How about showing a TOS version of a holodeck / visicom?
4: I would love to see Captain Kirk walk from the Bridge through an auxiliary exit to a staircase leading to a "ready room" like Pike had, presumably on Deck #2.
5: Anyone for seeing a cargo bay?
6: Enlisted facilities on the lower decks, for the grunts
And another, fond wish...
A functional 22-man transporter room!
1: She needs an airlock
2: We need to see something other than Auxiliary Control being used for "stellar cartography"
3: We need to see the "under hangar" area where presumably shuttlecraft (and other vehicles?) are stored and serviced (and possibly dismantled/assembled?)
4: We need to see an ENT "Minefield"-style spacewalk
5: There really ought to be a TOS-style travel pod deployed at some point
To see the Enterprise as a more clearly defined vessel of science and other work...
1: We need to see more science labs and similar work areas
2: It would be great to see Uhura visit her work crew in the Cryptography Room
3: How about showing a TOS version of a holodeck / visicom?
4: I would love to see Captain Kirk walk from the Bridge through an auxiliary exit to a staircase leading to a "ready room" like Pike had, presumably on Deck #2.
5: Anyone for seeing a cargo bay?
6: Enlisted facilities on the lower decks, for the grunts
And another, fond wish...
A functional 22-man transporter room!
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Another thing I would have loved to see, had TOS been continued/revived in some way...
More exploration of K-type space stations (like K-7 seen in "The Trouble with Tribbles") and other station types, both as independent weigh-stations and as Federation Starbases, for the Enterprise to visit as ports of call. It would have been great to see a very loosely serialized story arc where to Enterprise is dispatched to a specific frontier and a specific station (or stations) become port(s) of call while Kirk and company visit nearby worlds on an important mission.
It would also be great to experiment with both indoor "fake planet" sets (which TOS did so well) and outdoor location shoots (also done to great effect) to show working expeditions or colonies (ones that have not been destroyed).
More exploration of K-type space stations (like K-7 seen in "The Trouble with Tribbles") and other station types, both as independent weigh-stations and as Federation Starbases, for the Enterprise to visit as ports of call. It would have been great to see a very loosely serialized story arc where to Enterprise is dispatched to a specific frontier and a specific station (or stations) become port(s) of call while Kirk and company visit nearby worlds on an important mission.
It would also be great to experiment with both indoor "fake planet" sets (which TOS did so well) and outdoor location shoots (also done to great effect) to show working expeditions or colonies (ones that have not been destroyed).
Cool. Thanks for that. That book is so full of information I forget what's in there. It would be interesting to compare those numbers with the ones presented in Inside Star Trek as well as the Roddenberry papers that were donated to UCLA.
My regular username is scotpens. Close enough. You can imagine how some people spell it.
Here’s the cost breakdown of “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” scanned from The Making of Star Trek. According to the book, production ran $12,000 over budget.
Do we know if this budge was standard for all episodes? Or inflated/deflated b/c it was for a pilot?
Both of the pilots had inflated budgets. I'd have to look through some things to estimate what the average budget for a regular episode was, though. The one listed for "The City on the Edge of Forever," as I indicated, was the most expensive regular episode produced in all three seasons.
Well worth every penny.
Why would "City" be one of the most expensive eps?
The NYC filming was done on a backlot. I'd think location shooting would add more to the cost. There weren't a lot of effects to film. There wasn't a very large guest cast to pay. Was The Guardian donut really that expensive?
The NYC filming was done on a backlot. I'd think location shooting would add more to the cost. There weren't a lot of effects to film. There wasn't a very large guest cast to pay. Was The Guardian donut really that expensive?
Average budget for the first two seasons was around $186,000 per episode (bottle eps obviously cost less, those with locations or new set pieces quite a bit more).
That’s a good question. All the exteriors were shot on the Forty Acres lot where other episodes like “Return of the Archons” and “Miri” were filmed. The Giant Lopsided Time Bagel was a fairly large piece to build and had practical lighting effects, but I can’t imagine it costing that much.
IIRC, the original pilot “The Menagerie”/“The Cage” cost around $600,000. “Where No Man Has Gone Before” came in at about half that amount.
Well, they had to pay Harlan for the first four or five rewrites, that might have something to do with it...
That's a great picture.
I have one: Kirk didn't have a Ready Room.
But that's talking about an enclosed chamber that's had the air sucked out of it. The water doesn't have anyplace to go. If it's in the shuttlebay and the doors are opened, then fwoomp, it's gone.
Well, yes, but the proposal included opening the bay doors. The problem is that TV and movies lie to us about what happens when you open an airlock to space. The common image is a torrential wind that lasts for up to several minutes. Nuh-uh. It's called explosive decompression for a reason. It blows out all at once, very quickly. The force and speed of it would likely be too great to allow any water to remain.
The fact that his quarters are five decks away from the bridge. It's a good idea for the captain's office to be right next to the bridge, even if he rarely uses it.
That would make it less realistic, not more. Why are they in freefall walking around on the top of NX-01's saucer when there's gravity plating just a few feet below them? What is it with SF shows and movies that they think ship hulls could somehow be opaque to gravity (or that gravity is like sound and only works in an atmosphere)?
True, obviously you wouldn't "just throw the doors open", unless you wanted the surface of your rink to be something other than flat. I believe I also said that the possible cracking of the rink when it flash-freezes is another reason why the method might not work, and I offered a much more promising alternative.
But none of this changes the fact that arguing that the vacuum is a really good insulator does not bring enough factors to the table to understand what will happen.
The vacuum may be a good insulator, but the vapor pressure of liquid water ensures that evaporation will occur while the water is still liquid. (If it weren't for this loss of energy from the evaporation, one could stop the analysis upon realizing that the vacuum is a good insulator.) Evaporation lowers the temperature of the liquid that remains. That process will continue until the liquid flash-freezes, and it won't take long either, though exactly how long depends on the specifics. That's what happens, even to a blob of water jiggling around weightless in the vacuum, regardless of how good an insulator the vacuum is. Even water vapor crystallizes in a vacuum, and that happens almost immediately.
All that may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that once the doors are opened, the water on the hangar deck floor is not going to stay there because of the huge explosive force of the evacuating atmosphere sucking it into space -- along with any shuttles, equipment, and anything else that isn't bolted down. Maybe even some things that are bolted down, since an explosive decompression of that magnitude would make a hurricane seem like a light breeze.
I think the issue of the ice rink in the hangar deck has entered deceased equine territory...
There's another missing set that TOS could've benefitted from:
An isolation ward section of Sickbay. As in ENT, a landing party needs a secluded spot adjacent to Sickbay where injured, and possibly infected or irradiated/poisoned landing party personnel can be quarantined for brief periods after returning to the ship. It would be interesting if Sickbay included a "decontamination" facility like this, possibly with a small, two- or three-man transporter alcove to beam up injured parties.
An isolation ward section of Sickbay. As in ENT, a landing party needs a secluded spot adjacent to Sickbay where injured, and possibly infected or irradiated/poisoned landing party personnel can be quarantined for brief periods after returning to the ship. It would be interesting if Sickbay included a "decontamination" facility like this, possibly with a small, two- or three-man transporter alcove to beam up injured parties.
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