What Set Was Missing Fron TOS?

[erastus25]

How about Spock having his own damn Science area!

Okay, no science officer has ever had their own section, but it might have been cool to have Spock go down to a place with big computers and libraries and such.

Good idea. Not just for Spock, but the whole sciences department -- a section with lots of blue-shirted crewpeople working in labs and such.

How about a ready room for Kirk?

Maybe an office for McCoy?

McCoy was the only character who did have an office. It's the part of the sickbay set between the exam room and the lab. It's the second room from the left in this diagram:

http://www.st-spike.org/images/interiors/enterprise_sickbay.jpg

Do we actually see it in an episode, though?

Another thought I had: the obvious redressing (botanics = sickbay, conference room = pretty much everything, Kirk's quarters = Uhura's, etc.) actually makes things MORE realistic. I like to assume the (in-universe) designers of the E were more concerned with function than form and thus were constantly re-using the same basic room layouts to simplify construction and design.

 

[Maurice]

The Chapel was a redress of the briefing room in both Balance of Terror and The Tholian Web. You can see one of the characteristic curved beams next to Scotty when he's setting up the camera in the former episode.

McCoy's office was used in a number of episodes. In fact, it's the setting of final scene of Amok Time ("In a pig's eye!").

I thought they should have redressed some of the sickbay sets to be various science labs. It would have been neat to see Spock actively working with his "team" rather than staring into that peep-show viewer all the time. I also wish, for both Star Trek and TNG, that they'd showed characters in the hangar deck (main shuttlebay for TNG) via a matte painting. It would have done wonders for establishing the scale of both ships.

 

[Chris3123]

Voyager had a movie theater.

No it didn't. The theater was a holodeck program.

 

[Redfern]

I think Xortex may be confusing "Voyager" and "Enterprise". It was the latter (and last) series that presented a room where a number of the crew, including a rather befuddled T'Pol, sitting upon several rows of chairs (maybe they were benches) gazing upon a large screen upon a forward wall. (Oddly enough, those scenes reminded me of the "movie nights" held at the M*A*S*H 4077.)

As for science labs for Spock, "Operation: Annialate!" used McCoy's medical lab to analyze the flying "fried egg" parasite. Which rather made sense as the situation was handled as a medical issue, a biological infestation. But that set and maybe the adjoining set pieces could have been redressed to suggest other kind of labs. Maybe drag in those StarBase 11 "server racks" from "The Menagerie". Aux. Control presented in a few second season eps' ("Changling", "DoomsDay Machine", etc.) could have had additional tables deposited with various "winky, blinky" devices, along with the afore mentioned "racks" to suggest other types of labs.

Good gravy! I'm thinking like a budget conscious producer! Argh!

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Christopher]

McCoy was the only character who did have an office. It's the part of the sickbay set between the exam room and the lab. It's the second room from the left in this diagram:

http://www.st-spike.org/images/interiors/enterprise_sickbay.jpg

Do we actually see it in an episode, though?

Yes, all the time. Why would they have built the set otherwise? If you see a scene set in sickbay and there isn't a bed or lab equipment in the room, it's Bones's office. It's the room that has a bunch of shelves on the wall and a desk with a monitor, and is separated from the lab by a latticework screen in the wall.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I think that was the set from (to use one example) "Mirror, Mirror" when McCoy says "That spot...I spilled acid there a year ago. Jim, what in blazes is this?"

 

[Christopher]

^ I think that was the set from (to use one example) "Mirror, Mirror" when McCoy says "That spot...I spilled acid there a year ago. Jim, what in blazes is this?"

Yeah, I think so, though they redressed it there to look more like a lab set. It's also the room where Spock, McCoy, and Amanda discussed the blood transfusion to save Sarek in "Journey to Babel." (And in some shots you can see that they've added the Tantalus field prop from "Mirror, Mirror" to the wall of the office.)

 

[scotpens]

The Chapel was a redress of the briefing room in both Balance of Terror and The Tholian Web. You can see one of the characteristic curved beams next to Scotty when he's setting up the camera in the former episode.

Yes, I stand corrected. The idea of the chapel being a redress of the Transporter Room comes from the early Trek writer's guide as quoted in TMOST, as I recall.

 

[T'Girl]

A couple of inches of water, expose it to space and repressurize, and the crew would have a ice skating rink.

A little hockey, ehhh?

 

[Christopher]

A couple of inches of water, expose it to space and repressurize, and the crew would have a ice skating rink.

No, because the water would get sucked out into vacuum along with the air. And because it's a myth that stuff instantly freezes in vacuum. Vacuum is actually a fine insulator (as anyone with a thermos bottle should know firsthand). There's virtually no material medium to conduct or convect heat away, so things lose heat a lot more slowly in vacuum than in air.

 

[milo bloom]

I've always been amazed/disturbed (take your pic ) at folks that can recognize redressed sets so easily. It just so rarely occurs to me to even think about looking for them.


There's actually a handful of TOS eps I've never seen, so maybe it was shown, but how about the bridge of a Klingon ship? We got the Romulan one in Balance of Terror.

 

[Redfern]

Nope, never saw the interior of a Klingon bridge, not in the original series at least.

The closest we ever came was a viewscreen shot of a burley Klingon positioned in front of a grille divider panel (often used upon the Enterprise set), itself positioned in front of a pale mauve backdrop with the Klincon tefoil (turned on its side). It can be found here (third row from top, right image)...

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=88&page=12

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[SchwEnt]

I thought the idea of showing the rec room in "Charlie X" was terrific... but that was it. It would've been great to see a few more clips of it, in more detail. Maybe even a swimming pool. Also, there was mention of an arboretum. That would've been nice to see... perhaps Kirk taking a walk with a companion along a path in there.

But we DID see Kirk walking with a companion in an arboretum. He strolled with Dr. Miranda Jones through some sort of rec room filled with flora (an arboretum?). Same place the kids got their ice cream, too.

 

[Redfern]

Never the less, a 3D modeler I know on-line took a shot at what a Klingon captain's chair might resemble applying the TOS design ethic, converting existing furniture into "futuristic" decor. So he modeled something that started out as a barber's chair, adding armrest controls and other elemnts. I took the model and placed it within a briefing room set and lit the area with foreboding reds, basically something the original production might have done.

Instant Klingon bridge, TOS style with minimal "expense".

The modeler also designed a "gunnewr's chair in a style that TOS might have done, relatively simple box shapes with angled faces to break up the design. Again, I placed it within the briefing room set and positioned a grilled divider for "inexpensive" detail.

Just food for thought.

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[Lieut. Arex]

We see a bit more of the bridge in "The Enterprise Incident". While there may be some differences between the Romulan D7's and the Klingon, both have similar grill behind the commander though the banner behind the Klingon hides any other stations.

 

[Redfern]

I'm guessing you are thinking of the last screen capture upon this page/

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=78&page=13

I understand your reasoning, as it is a Klingon ship loaned to the Romulans as part of a tenuous "alliance" between the two empires (stated earlier in the episode).

Sincerely,

Bill

 

[KirksStuntMan]

Good gravy! I'm thinking like a budget conscious producer! Argh!

Yes, it's too bad that TOS production budget wasn't higher. I remember reading an interview with James Doohan where he was dismayed that the ST:TNG budget was approximately $1 million per episode! Doohan couldn't even imagine what kind of quality shows TOS could have turned out with that kind of money.

 

[KirksStuntMan]

There's actually a handful of TOS eps I've never seen, so maybe it was shown, but how about the bridge of a Klingon ship?

Matt Jefferies' design of the Klingon Warship didn't make an appearance until the 3rd season. By that time the ST budget was so low that they couldn't afford many extra sets. Too bad. Seeing the bridge interior of a Klingon vessel would have been so cool.

 

[Christopher]

I understand your reasoning, as it is a Klingon ship loaned to the Romulans as part of a tenuous "alliance" between the two empires (stated earlier in the episode).

Actually the only thing that was stated was "Intelligence reports Romulans now using Klingon design." The alliance was an after-the-fact interpretation by fandom, or perhaps a behind-the-scenes bit of backstory that didn't actually make it onscreen.

 

[scotpens]

. . . Vacuum is actually a fine insulator (as anyone with a thermos bottle should know firsthand).

In fact, thermos bottles are so efficient at keeping things hot (or cold) that, according to “The Cage,” they’re still using them in the 23rd century.

I've always been amazed/disturbed (take your pic ) at folks that can recognize redressed sets so easily. It just so rarely occurs to me to even think about looking for them.

You just lost your geek cred!