Huh? Where did you get that quote from? I don't see it anywhere in this thread...
What Set Was Missing Fron TOS?
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According to the Department of Physics of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, T'Girl (a.k.a. Dracula's Castle) is correct (notwithstanding a complication discussed below):
I'll call this situation the thought experiment: gravity is on, and the water out of which the rink will freeze is in a tank with only the one planar surface on top exposed to vacuum. The water boils off that surface, until what's left in the tank freezes.
This behavior is confirmed by a NASA experiment, but there is an additional complication, which is that when the water left in the tank freezes, it flash freezes all at once and suddenly expands. In the NASA experiment (described in a detailed treatment for the International Journal of Mechanical Engineering Education, at http://www.manchesteruniversitypress.co.uk/uploads/docs/300119.pdf), this sudden freezing of the entire volume of water caused the resulting block of ice to hop out of its pan! So, some system would have to deal with the sudden expansion of the whole rink when it flash freezes. Perhaps having a large enough body of water, under gravity, and in a flexible container would mitigate the popping out effect; if not, I'd suspect the ice rink might fracture when it flash freezes.
As to what happens to that vapor that boils off, based on both observation and theory, it crystallizes. Some links:
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/2009/06/water_in_space_what_happens.php
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/118/would-a-glass-of-water-in-space-freeze-or-boil
http://newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99558.htm
So, since gravity is on in the thought experiment, it would make a fine powdery snow onto the skating rink in the vacuum. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/118/would-a-glass-of-water-in-space-freeze-or-boil
http://newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem99/chem99558.htm
All this said, I'm not convinced that this would be the best way to create a skating rink on the Enterprise. I'd suggest that allowing the heat to conduct away from the ice through a regulated radiator fin outside the ship (à la what Niven does in the Ringworld novels to create the polar caps on the maps in the Great Ocean) is a better permanent solution.
Converting the first and second seasons' budgets into today's dollars, Star Trek actually had a roughly similar budget (not counting the third season because they really got gutted that year). The difference being that they were inventing more than a few wheels at the time, whereas by the time TNG came along, they knew how to stretch those dollars a helluva lot further. Plus, the movies had already set up quite an infrastructute to build on (not the least of which is all the existing sets that dated back to Phase II that were reused right up until Voyager went down).
The Klingon bridge from the first movie, redressed, became the Enterprise's torpedo room for the second movie.
Not if you didn't "throw the doors open." Maintain the artificial gravity, reduce the pressure to zero through venting to space (expose to space), and as posted above the lack of air pressure would turn the liquid water into a solid.
When you reintroduce air, have it be the appropriate temperature to keep the ice, ice.
My error; you are correct. As stated, Rommies could have stolen a few ships!
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Bill
They could have created the service crawlways we saw in In A Mirror Darkly.
With respect to the ships seen in The Enterprise Incident, I always assumed the Romulans were given plans and they manufactured the ships themselves. I assumed this for no reason other than Spock used the word "design".
I remember McCoy saying the same thing in a novel. I can't remember which one though. It's probably something from before 1985. Does anyone else remember this?
Over in this thread in the Trek Tech forum, there is speculation that the four white rectangular areas regularly spaced around the top of the saucer are ceiling windows for rec room areas.
I rather like this idea, and I think it would be perfect for at least some of the arboretums to have ceiling windows looking out on the stars. It could help create a realistic night scene for a garden and some woods.
Ditto on the swimming pool.
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I'd also like to have gone inside a nacelle, and have seen something similar to what was depicted in TAS: One of Our Planets Is Missing. I think it could have worked really well as a matte painting, with the engine cycle zaps animated in the usual way.
That’s what I always figured — that the Romulans were building Klingon-designed ships under license. There didn’t necessarily have to be any formal political alliance between the two empires.
Wouldn't the lose of pressure result in the water evaporating anyway?
I think the bridge should've had some type of emergency exit other than the turbolift. Maybe slide Kirks' chair to the side, pop open a hatch and exit the bridge via a Jeffries tube.
The Science labs & Medical Labs would have been good to see. As i work in a medical lab ive always been curious as to what the med labs on the enterprise would like especially the biochem - how do they analyse blood samples? Though i would imagine most of the time they were used for medical research purposes.
Isnt there meant to be another observation desk somewhere on the enterprise thats bigger then the one seen in The Conscience of The King?
Inside the nacelles would have been good, Uhura's communication department - must be a big area full of her team that work there?
Did they have film nights? If so possibly somewhere the crew would watch those "old style classics."
Maybe more crew quarters but then again it became apparent once you've seen one crew member quarters....you've seen them all.
Cant see Kirk having a ready room, never really liked the idea, he was a hands-on captain rather than wanting to lock himself away from the crew. What's wrong with conducting the ships business from your quarters anyway?
Isnt there meant to be another observation desk somewhere on the enterprise thats bigger then the one seen in The Conscience of The King?
Inside the nacelles would have been good, Uhura's communication department - must be a big area full of her team that work there?
Did they have film nights? If so possibly somewhere the crew would watch those "old style classics."
Maybe more crew quarters but then again it became apparent once you've seen one crew member quarters....you've seen them all.
Cant see Kirk having a ready room, never really liked the idea, he was a hands-on captain rather than wanting to lock himself away from the crew. What's wrong with conducting the ships business from your quarters anyway?
MarsWeeps,
I remember seeing a blueprint of TMP bridge that showed access to the deck below located underneath the Helm/Nav Console. I don't remember if the Helm/Nav Console moved out of the way to get access to this panel or not.
I checked the www.cygnus-x1.net website for this blueprint but I could not find it there.
Encino Vampire (Scott Pens?),
You are correct. Here is a link to the Franz Joseph (Schnaubelt) blueprint of TOS bridge from "The Star Fleet Technical Manual", courtesy of the cygnus-x1.net website.
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As I recall, the hatchway to the deck below was forward of the helm-navigation console. About half way to the steps leading towards the viewscreen.
Well, $1 million in 1987 would have been about $285,001.70 in 1966 according to this inflation calculator. That would be a little bit more money than the most expensive regular episode of the original series cost -- "The City on the Edge of Forever" at $245,316 -- but less than either of the two pilot episodes ("The Cage" cost $630,000 and I don't have the cost of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" on hand).
As I recall, the hatchway to the deck below was forward of the helm-navigation console. About half way to the steps leading towards the viewscreen.
Thanks T'Girl / Dracula's Castle / Dr. Frank-N-Furter.
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