Yeah, the best proof that god exists is that we don't know god exists.
There is a name for that kind of reasoning: Bullshit.
What religion/faith are you?
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Yeah, the best proof that god exists is that we don't know god exists.
There is a name for that kind of reasoning: Bullshit.
When you hit bottom, do you have a wise man kill a chicken, open it up and look at the organs to tell you what to do? If not, then what?
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It sure as hell is the last time I'm going to that McDonald's, that's for sure.
I...have no idea how we got from what I said to what you said. Also, FWIW, I'm an agnostic.
They say there are no atheists in fox holes.
Many people do make a God up in their own image. But many seek to conform their lives to a standard Holier than themselves. The old maxim holds up, you become what you worship.
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Took a poll, did "they"?
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It's always that 5th dentist screwing it up for everyone else.Took a poll, did "they"?
They say a lot of things. Doesn't make 'em true.
Even if it were true, somehow definitely proven, what does that even mean? That faced with almost certain death a person will hope for a mystical being to save them? Sure, I can go with that. But it certainly doesn't mean anything in regards to a mystical savior being actually existing.
“People say there are no atheists in foxholes. A lot of people think this is a good argument against atheism. Personally, I think it’s a much better argument against foxholes.” -- Kurt Vonnegut
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#8: don'tgive false testation on others
You would hardly appreciate being libeled. And even if you translate #7 different, you'd certainly feel hurt and offended if someone lies to you. Everyone has a right to be told the truth and to not get libeled.
Human Rights Charta, Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks
#9/10: don't try to steal other people's SOs nor property.
Again, would you applaude your SO to cheat on you? Would you be ok with people stealing for example your pet or your car? Everyone has a right to be left in peace and to enjoy their relationships and the property they have long and hard strived to get.
Human Rights Charta: Article 17
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
But of course you are entitled to your own opinion:
Article 19: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.)
as long as you stick to
Article 20:
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.
Yea, how do "they" explain atheist vets then?
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Seriously! " Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife"
Treats women like property, so please stop associating the commandments with human rights, It's misguided, at best.
The bible also condones slavery among other things. There are tons of sites that will list all the relevant stuff if you'd care to google it.
Personally, I am not a specialist of the bible, I don't ever plan to read it. There are enough people who did a thorough job debunking it. Me, I have more enjoying things to do like shaving my head with a cheese grater for example. I pay people to unclog my toilets so I don't have to put my hands there myself!
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I've read a fair bit of it, for various reasons. I read the New Testament after the theatre company I worked with did Jesus Christ Superstar. I didn't understand some of the references in the songs, so I ended up reading the New Testament to know what it was about. Then years later I ended up reading a fair chunk of the Old Testament after getting involved in a production of Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat. Fast-forward a few weeks and I started reading a series of historical novels that combined a fictitious family of armorers and artisans whose lives intertwined through the centuries with various biblical characters, and wanted to see how the events in the novels matched with the Old Testament and real history.
Gotta say, the whole Moses story made a lot more sense with them wandering around for ten years due to pockets of Egyptians trying to kill them than wandering for 40 years because somebody "sinned" (and the author came up with perfectly plausible scientific explanations for the "plagues"). Interestingly, there's no actual hard evidence that the individual called Moses even really existed, but if he did and the '40 years' thing is accurate, I'd bet that Moses was just being a man and therefore too stubborn to ask for directions to Canaan.
Actually, if you want to be able to criticize something, you should have some knowledge about it. That's why I read the nuDune books - so I would know what I was talking about when criticizing them. Ditto the bible. If you're going to say it's crap, at least have some reading knowledge to back up your opinion.
It's been historically proved that the Hebrews were never collectively enslaved in Egypt. So that whole story is just as much bunkum. Archeologists have established that the Hebrews were actually slaves to the Canaanites. There was political upheaval and they took over. The Canaanites' culture precedes and largely inspires the Hebrews', it's pretty clear when you examine the artifacts recovered from the digs there. On the other hand, there is no discernable cultural influence between the Egyptians of that time and the Hebrews. The Hebrews rewrote their history as is not uncommon in such cultures. They took bits and pieces from stories of actual former slaves and paper macheed them together to make that implausible story that we've all heard of or seen on the big screen. I've read recent articles about that. I'd advise you to do the same next time you want to give a lecture or something..
You are mistaking me for someone who believes that any part of the Moses story or Exodus really happened. I am well aware that there's no archaeological evidence to support it as it's written in the Old Testament, and what artifacts have been found are either in the wrong location, date to the wrong time, or weren't made by the people you'd expect to have made them (yes, I'm aware there was a lot of trade going on, but still...).
So next time you want to give a lecture, make sure you're not lecturing to someone who already agrees with you, 'k?
I don't. Nine and ten are about coveting, not stealing. Covet means that you want something.
This brings to mind the application of Proverbs 19:2.
"It is no use to act before you think: to be hasty is to miss the mark."
Sure, just like there are no gay people in Russia, according to Putin. "They" don't know what they are talking about:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...re-atheists-in-foxholes-idUSBRE83009P20120401
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Association_of_Atheists_&_Freethinkers
Not that the military hasn't made frequent efforts to try and force religiosity on its members or punish them or deny them rights based on their non-belief:
https://theweek.com/articles/461428/military-problem-atheists
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2018/03/26/no-atheistchaplains-lawmakers-tell-navy/
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