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What percentage of the crew were gay?

Really I believe that you start off thinking that men and women are equally desirable, but that's well early days. By "choice" I mean half a billion sociological triggers firing against our subconscious every 12 seconds from birth, a subconscious which eventually makes up its own mind without consulting the fore-brain. Then again there are a fair number of people who don't chose, and just stay fascinated by both genders.

Biochemical however means that they can target our lust with something they can pack into a syringe someday. Hells, if the desire for female vs. male can be decided by genetics, and therefore manipulated, then so can bestiality vs. objectophelia or icthophelia, and they can vaccinate against any specific sexual proclivity including hetrosrexuality that they feel like.

"They" are very scary people.

Mad ramblings. Sorry.

Well before gayness can be determined, the families arrange marriages between tiny little babies that this postsperm are expected to oblige to and obey no matter the state of play 30 to 60 years down the track when it is determined that...

Oh my.

Pushing 60 terran years, T'Pol had "endured" Pon Far many times before her marriage came to fore in the first season of Enterprise. There was no mention of her having children before, but she was a very private "person" and Vulcans seem to be quite Victorian really that mating outside of some sort of even casual "union" seems off, maybe that wasn't her first marriage? They live for 300 years almost. What if the families arrange for several marriages to take place at several different benchmarks in their childs lifespan because baring accident and divorce, almost 300 years is quite a while to expect a single marriage to last out... Although, that's maybe why they needed to extract their emotions? Living with the same person for 200 years?

"I'm sorry dad, but the 15 women you expect me to marry over the next 200 years, well, it's just not going to work out, so you'd best return all their dowries right now, since I really dig boys a whole lot."
 
Guy Gardener said:
Really I believe that you start off thinking that men and women are equally desirable, but that's well early days. By "choice" I mean half a billion sociological triggers firing against our subconscious every 12 seconds from birth, a subconscious which eventually makes up its own mind without consulting the fore-brain. Then again there are a fair number of people who don't chose, and just stay fascinated by both genders.
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I think you're on to something there, Guy. I don't know if there is one specific gene slot where if it's gene 2342 you're straight, and if it's gene 2343 you're gay.

Here's about all I know. I don't have a choice, personally. I'm gay. I can't fix it. The only choice I have is to live life or go be a monk somewhere, I can't shut off the drive. I could marry a woman and maybe even have sex with her (sorry ladies but barf) but I'd still be gay. It's there in my brain, whether it's biochemistry combined with various experiences or whatever.

With that said:
Biochemical however means that they can target our lust with something they can pack into a syringe someday. Hells, if the desire for female vs. male can be decided by genetics, and therefore manipulated, then so can bestiality vs. objectophelia or icthophelia, and they can vaccinate against any specific sexual proclivity including hetrosrexuality that they feel like.

"They" are very scary people.
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Indeed. And I hope I shouldn't live long enough where people do that to their children.

Well before gayness can be determined, the families arrange marriages between tiny little babies that this postsperm are expected to oblige to and obey no matter the state of play 30 to 60 years down the track when it is determined that...

Oh my.

Pushing 60 terran years, T'Pol had "endured" Pon Far many times before her marriage came to fore in the first season of Enterprise. There was no mention of her having children before, but she was a very private "person" and Vulcans seem to be quite Victorian really that mating outside of some sort of even casual "union" seems off, maybe that wasn't her first marriage? They live for 300 years almost. What if the families arrange for several marriages to take place at several different benchmarks in their childs lifespan because baring accident and divorce, almost 300 years is quite a while to expect a single marriage to last out... Although, that's maybe why they needed to extract their emotions? Living with the same person for 200 years?

"I'm sorry dad, but the 15 women you expect me to marry over the next 200 years, well, it's just not going to work out, so you'd best return all their dowries right now, since I really dig boys a whole lot."
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I think you're on to something there too. Perhaps the only way Vulcan marriages work at all is through repression? Even in modern arranged marriages, they seem to work only where there is a certain personal discipline (or fear/pressure) involved that forces the parties to reach a marriage relationship, actual attractions be damned.
 
Paris: Spent more time with Harry than his hot wife, B'Ellana. Could indicate homosexuality on his part. He also strikes me as the sort of guy that had gay flings in his youth, you know, went cruising around gar bars in France for some action, but was eventually straightened out by B''Ellana. STRAIGHT (but probably experimented)

Doctor: was in love with Seven but I find it hard to believe a hologram was programmed strictly to be straight. A simple alteration to his sexual sub-routines would make him gay in an instant. BISEXUAL

Tuvok: He's married, but could be a closet gay. While stranded on some planet along with Paris and an alien woman who was clearly gagging for it, he spurned her advances, despite not having sex in years. More evidence points towards his Ponn Farr. Vulcans need to mate when they go through this phase yet we’re supposed to believe he relived himself by shagging a hologram! We know that the other Vulcan aboard Voyager, Volrik, tried the same trick yet it never came of; he needed a woman.
I believe Tuvok may have taken a detour on the way to the holodeck, and grabbed Neelix in the corridor. Neelix would not have objected. BISEXUAL

Neelix: An interesting one this. Neelix dated a child, Kes, and always showed great enthusiasm when working with children. Romped with a manly Klingon which does indicate some queerness on his part, but really it would be an insult to gays everywhere if I labelled this paedophile a homosexual.
Did he leave Voyager to be with that Talaxian lady, or her son Brax? PAEDOPHILE???

Kim: Never could find the right women, and is notorious for being so frigid. He rejected Seven when she offered to have sex with him. Need I say more? GAY

Chakotay: Unknown due to a lack of screen time, but hostility towards Tom could suggest a past liaison between the two. Rejected Janeway’s overtures. Had a relationship with Seven, but that affair has to be dismissed due to the stupidity of the Voyager writers. BISEXUAL

The women onboard are all obviously lesbians, no explanations needed.
 
Q said they were all lesbians. At least that was the overtone I garnished from "ship of the Valkyries" from Deathwish.

Regarding Tuvok, if someone choses to be faithful because they're in love (or afraid), it doesn't make them gay. It makes them a decent human being. Or Vulcan in this case. Allowing a friend to die because they will not present their bottom does however make them a complete bastard. The Whole "fight to the death" option for pon Far might be a consolation for the boy on boy rape, that things don't have to go too far if someone is unreasonably pon farry with a nonbottom presenter.

Though if gay sex can settle Pon far, then male/female vaginal sex ending in pregnancy might not be necessary every time for everyone, if the girl can present her bottom too, or just be on the pill.
 
5 per cent out

10 per cent in Egypt on the De-Nile

10 per cent in Hollywoods Celluloid Closet (C).


Robert Beltran, I mean Chakotay. As if Kathy was his taste and Seven was just his beard.

Icheb, does he need an explanation.

Borg Queen, she should have just admitted she was not interested in Seven's individuality, just her gorgeous knockers and arse.

Seven, yes apparently she wanted some sapphic love with Janeway.

Kes, Neelix turned her gay.

Aunt Kathy, she wanted to take advantage of Seven on so many occassions.
 
Somewhere between 0% and 100%. On a more serious note, one might surmise from Seven of Nine's seeming lack of a sex life that nearly 100% of the ship's population -- male and female -- was not attracted to women.
 
Borg nanites are a sexually transmittable disease.

Some caution is required.

I have often wanted to write a fanfiction about valentines day on Voyager, about who gets the most anonymous presents and cards as signs of affection and interest and who gets none.

My theory was that Seven would have been drowning in heart shaped boxes of candy.
 
When he thought that B'Elanna was trying to Mrs Robinson him... He ran.

The Holmsing for clues however just made it seem that even though he was intent on turning her down, especially since he was quite sure Tom wanted to watch (The whole thing with the car racing, Icheb assumed that Tom was fighting to keep his woman.) he had to make absolutely sure she was trying to mount him, because it would make for some good scrapbooking.

However he was romantically and hopelessly in love with Seven and proved this by giving her part of his brain even though janeway told him not to. Wow, random crewmen objecting to Janway laying down the law about their private concerns towards elective surgery again.
 
Dragging this thread out of obscurity...

Jeri Taylor's Voyager novel Pathways had a gay male couple on Voyager, they both were security officers.
 
Last research I saw:

Males with no college: 2%
Males with college: 4%
Females with no college: 0.4%
Females with college 3.6%

So we can probably chalk that up to being more likely to realize you're gay if you're exposed to college and say the real percentage is around 4-5%. Percentages are probably about the same for the 23rd century.
 
No, according to Gene Roddenberry in the novelization of Star trek the motion Picture, everyone except Kirk is bisexual.

Are you calling Gene a liar?
 
JirinPanthosa said:
So we can probably chalk that up to being more likely to realize you're gay if you're exposed to college and say the real percentage is around 4-5%. Percentages are probably about the same for the 23rd century.
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Your conclusion seems to be one is probably gay and doesn't realize it, especially if they haven't been to college.
 
Melakon said:
JirinPanthosa said:
So we can probably chalk that up to being more likely to realize you're gay if you're exposed to college and say the real percentage is around 4-5%. Percentages are probably about the same for the 23rd century.
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Your conclusion seems to be one is probably gay and doesn't realize it, especially if they haven't been to college.
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I do think that college exposes you to a greater variety of people and many do not consider the possibility until they get that exposure.

Unless you can propose a covariance between being gay and making the decision to attend college.

That's an interesting idea that everybody is bisexual, which suggests that Gene Roddenberry thinks that everybody is secretly bisexual and just defines themselves too narrowly. I dunno, I guess that would be consistent with other stuff we know about the TrekVerse, but it doesn't explain why Riker has no male exes.
 
I'd be curious to see this everybody but Kirk is bi quote.
As for gays and college, I think there are reasons why statistically gays are more likely to go to college than straights. We're less likely to get married and/or have kids at a young age, military service has traditionally been less welcoming to us as an option, and we have motivation to get out of our small towns. It's not necessarily that college makes people come out (although it can be an environment that makes it safer to do so) so much as we have, in some cases, more motivation and less dependents to make college happen.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I do think that college exposes you to a greater variety of people and many do not consider the possibility until they get that exposure.
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Based on people I've talked to through the years and a fair amount of reading on the subject, well over half of LGBT's realized their sexual orientation during middle school and high school. About a quarter between graduating high school and their mid-twenties (college years). The rest either before middle school or after their mid-twenties.

Unless you can propose a covariance between being gay and making the decision to attend college.
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A 2013 Pew Research social trends study of LGBT Americans showed LGBT were 5% more likely to go to college than the general populace.

:)
 
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