What next for Joss Whedon?

[Tosk]

The real question is, will Flash run like a normal person in his own movie, or will it be more of that...whatever it was in JL.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Stumbled on this bit of trashy gossip, Snyder throwing shade at Whedon?
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/02/23/zack-snyder-likes-anti-whedon-post/
Make of it what you will...

 

[Ovation]

Stumbled on this bit of trashy gossip, Snyder throwing shade at Whedon?
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/02/23/zack-snyder-likes-anti-whedon-post/
Make of it what you will...

The “article” (along with one linked to within it) is amusing but anything more than slight attention to each one reveals a degree of contempt for Snyder that rivals the most bitter comments around here.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

And he is gone from the movie. Officially it's because he couldn't figure out the story, unofficially rumours say it's because of #MeToo (combo of the claims against him and his treatment of Black Widow in AoU).

What was wrong with Black Widow?

It just may not be part of the DCEU, like the upcoming Joker movie.

I still think that it's a mistake to make non-shared-universe DC films at this point. I understand if Justice League made them gun-shy about doing too many crossovers but I think that they should still make everything with the assumption that it's all theoretically in the same universe.

And I don't know why they can't have Jared Leto play the Joker. It's not like he's too old to do a Joker origin story. And, personally, Leto was my favorite Joker, even over Heath Ledger. There's something just a bit primally frightening about Leto's Joker. It's like, if Ledger's Joker had you cornered, he would nearly always give you a way out. He would usually trick you into picking the wrong choice, which would get you killed, but nearly all of his death traps had a theoretical escape hatch. Leto's Joker felt more like a jungle cat that would just toy with you a bit before eating you.

Moneyball is almost as excellent, and just as breezily entertaining, but lacks the profound political subject matter.

I forgot about Moneyball. I saw that. Pretty good.

One angle they might be thinking about with Barbara is the "Batgirl of Burnside" angle -- Barbara Gordon is a grad student, living in a gentrified, hipster community not unlike Brooklyn or Portland.

If they make Batgirl of Burnside crossover with Portlandia, I AM SO THERE!

I loved the scene with him running up and Superman's head-turn. But I didn't feel like every comedy scene with him worked. There were just so many of them. Like the thing with the bat-signal, that was just awkward as opposed to funny. And at one point he even gets slimed, it's like you're watching Nickelodeon or some shit.

I would agree that not all of the Flash's jokes landed but I think most of them did. My biggest laugh of the film was just the look on his face when he was sitting in the Batmobile.

 

[JD]

I still think that it's a mistake to make non-shared-universe DC films at this point. I understand if Justice League made them gun-shy about doing too many crossovers but I think that they should still make everything with the assumption that it's all theoretically in the same universe.

And I don't know why they can't have Jared Leto play the Joker. It's not like he's too old to do a Joker origin story.

I don't think it's about Leto as much as it's about not wanting to extra baggage of a shared universe. This way they don't have to worry about being limited by what the movies before it have done, and they don't have to worry about it limiting what movies after it can do.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't think it's about Leto as much as it's about not wanting to extra baggage of a shared universe. This way they don't have to worry about being limited by what the movies before it have done, and they don't have to worry about it limiting what movies after it can do.

Marvel though is more stand alone than people tend to think. The connections are usually references and end of credit scenes. Sometimes your get character crossover and you do get the big team up episodes but in the end the DC has failed more because people haven't liked most of the characters than it has to do with all the movies in one universe. I will say that each movie should have had different tones and you should only see the Singer influence in the movies he directed. Man of Steel didn't have to be all dark like a Batman movie.

Jason

 

[Set Harth]

Singer?

 

[Valenti]

Country western blues. Or yodeling.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I keep seeing this; people keep saying "Singer" (presumably Bryan Singer, the director of Superman Returns & X-Men) when they mean "Snyder."

I don't think it's about Leto as much as it's about not wanting to extra baggage of a shared universe. This way they don't have to worry about being limited by what the movies before it have done, and they don't have to worry about it limiting what movies after it can do.

If it were a TV series or an ongoing comic book series, I could understand that. There's such a volume of material made that sometimes hasty decisions can severely limit or impact the ability to tell future stories. But considering we've only seen Jared Leto's version of the Joker in 1 movie so far and there are no concrete plans to put him in any future films, I think they should just go ahead and use him and not feel too limited about anything. (I've never heard anyone suggest that they put him in The Batman. I sincerely doubt that we'll be seeing him in Suicide Squad 2. And all of the other Harley Quinn movies sound more like pipedreams at this point.)

 

[JD]

I understand what you're saying, but the DCEU version of the Joker is rather... idiosyncratic, so I could see someone wanting the freedom to do a more traditional version in the origin movie.