What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[T'Boo]

^ You're probably right.

Flaws and all, I like this Christine. She's interesting.

 

[Char Kais]

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Ended Season 3 Without Returning To Streaming Top 10

The numbers are in for the week of the season 3 finale, and SNW didn't make the top 10, again.

trekmovie.com

The third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds started strong when it comes to ranking on the Nielsen Top 10 streaming charts. After initially scoring some impressive numbers in the first weeks of season 3, including improving on good numbers for season 2, the show disappeared from the charts for most of season 3.

The season 3 debut was a record for Strange New Worlds on the Nielsen charts.

It's interesting how much they are emphasizing the "record" part but forget to mention that Paramount+ released two episodes on the same day. This is the first time Paramount+ released two Star Trek episodes on the same day since P+ is submitting data to Nielsen.
The actual view time of the first two episodes (236m minutes) was way below the average view time for Season 2 (349m minutes).

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[Headless_Hysteria]

Yes they explored anger in DIS but the jokester and platonic love with one off scenes and mostly played for quick laughs.

Then your real issue is that the writers don't take Spock seriously and don't write him as a serious charcter. Since they are exploring other sides of him.

He's sitting on the ship watching Pike but we haven't seen him become a leader.

Well, considering Pike’s own leadership style is being called into question, maybe Pike isn’t the best role model for Spock when it comes to leadership.

They began to develop his friendship with Pike at the end of season 1 but largely haven't furthered this.

Mainly because the writers are too focused on exploring Spock's friendship with Jim Kirk.

It would be nice if he reflected on what he's doing why he's engaged and how it fits into who who wants to be.

So, can’t he do that when his relationship with La’an ends?

Why does he need to keep constantly reflecting on his relationships?

I would have expected him to feel some ongoing something about the Chapel situation to have greater consistency with the second episode and perhaps the badly broken situation with T'Pring. If he doesn't feel anything about that, and doesn't feel much about what's happening with Laa'an then it's not going to contribute to his character growth.

Or maybe he's closer to TOS Spock then realized.

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Ended Season 3 Without Returning To Streaming Top 10

The numbers are in for the week of the season 3 finale, and SNW didn't make the top 10, again.

trekmovie.com

It's interesting how much they are emphasizing the "record" part but forget to mention that Paramount+ released two episodes on the same day. This is the first time Paramount+ released two Star Trek episodes on the same day since P+ is submitting data to Nielsen.
The actual view time of the first two episodes (236m minutes) was way below the average view time for Season 2 (349m minutes).

SNW    S02E01    338    07
SNW    S02E02    393    08
SNW    S02E03    <381    <10
SNW    S02E04    351    09
SNW    S02E05    <346    <10
SNW    S02E06    324    10
SNW    S02E07    324    10
SNW    S02E08    395    09
SNW    S02E09    362    07
SNW    S02E10    304    10

SNW    S03E01    471    07
SNW    S03E02    471    07
SNW    S03E03    472    09
SNW    S03E04    397    07
SNW    S03E05    <279    <10
SNW    S03E06    <315    <10
SNW    S03E07    <326    <10
SNW    S03E08    <326    <10
SNW    S03E09    <342    <10
SNW    S03E10    <360    <10

They can make excuses about how the writers strike affected quality and viewership.

It probably has more to do with CBS agreeing to a bias monitor, and likely far more impactfully, firing Stephen Colbert and cancelling his show. P+ probably lost a lot of subs with that decision.

 

[Frightscape One]

Colbert wasn't fired. His contract ends next year, they just didn't make a new one for him.

 

[PottersForQuidditch]

No, definitely not. It would be nice if he reflected on what he's doing why he's engaged and how it fits into who who wants to be. I would have expected him to feel some ongoing something about the Chapel situation to have greater consistency with the second episode and perhaps the badly broken situation with T'Pring. If he doesn't feel anything about that, and doesn't feel much about what's happening with Laa'an then it's not going to contribute to his character growth.

If he doesn't do this soon > not good. Devil's advocate for now though. Nurse Chapel was the first time he feel in love and he fell hard. He doesn't know how to handle this because he's emotionally immature so he jumps onto the idea of a rebound. La'an is a rebound. He doesn't have to be hurt when he's with her and she doesn't have to think about Kirk. He's still stuck on Christine. He went to the god awful dinner where she invited Korby just to hang out with her and then bickered with Korby over who arrived first. He wants Korby to trip into a hole he just dug up and disappear but he's not going to so Spock makes himself feel better by leaping into things with La'an. It's mature because it's shallow. He likes spending time with her and getting an ego boost without actually getting vulnerable the way he did with Nurse C. It's easy to be mature when you care about someone but don't love them. People do leap into bad idea rebounds so they're not alone and can pretend they're moving on. It'll probably come crashing down when La'an gets a shot at Kirk, one of them gets a wakeup call about how much like their original partners (e.g. Chapel nearly dies) or they get bored of each other. I'm suprised they didn't end at the end of season 3 if they thought they wouldn't get renewed. It's an open plot point I thought they would mop up. I guess they want more time to show us the fail.

Christina Chong said she wants La'an to die in the final episode of the final series like a spin-off. She wants to collect that pay check till the end and who couldn't blame her. She's hoping her character goes evil The romulan la'an was evil fun so why not She's going to want a shot at Year One. La'an isn't going anywhere until the last possible moment. She's safe through season 4 and 5 and they can't keep emotional Spock going that long.

She's fine with Kahn. It's not like they would have told him and they knew his niece from seven generations ago anyway.

 

[ILovePuppies]

‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Ended Season 3 Without Returning To Streaming Top 10

The numbers are in for the week of the season 3 finale, and SNW didn't make the top 10, again.

trekmovie.com

It's interesting how much they are emphasizing the "record" part but forget to mention that Paramount+ released two episodes on the same day. This is the first time Paramount+ released two Star Trek episodes on the same day since P+ is submitting data to Nielsen.
The actual view time of the first two episodes (236m minutes) was way below the average view time for Season 2 (349m minutes).

SNW    S02E01    338    07
SNW    S02E02    393    08
SNW    S02E03    <381    <10
SNW    S02E04    351    09
SNW    S02E05    <346    <10
SNW    S02E06    324    10
SNW    S02E07    324    10
SNW    S02E08    395    09
SNW    S02E09    362    07
SNW    S02E10    304    10

SNW    S03E01    471    07
SNW    S03E02    471    07
SNW    S03E03    472    09
SNW    S03E04    397    07
SNW    S03E05    <279    <10
SNW    S03E06    <315    <10
SNW    S03E07    <326    <10
SNW    S03E08    <326    <10
SNW    S03E09    <342    <10
SNW    S03E10    <360    <10

I don't follow. Does it matter that they release two on the one day? Didn't Ep 1 get 471m minutes and Ep 2 got the same? Big jump down from 4 to 5 though. Did this coincide with the Jimmy Kimmel firing? Or people just didn't like Ep 4?

Then your real issue is that the writers don't take Spock seriously and don't write him as a serious charcter. Since they are exploring other sides of him.

Sure, it's an issue. But they've slightly touched on other aspects of him and dedicated almost all his development to romance. Why do the same thing three times? Imagine T'Pol falling for Archer, then Trip and then Phlox and that being her main story. There would have been uproar. Spock of all characters needed more meat to him than romance.

Well, considering Pike’s own leadership style is being called into question, maybe Pike isn’t the best role model for Spock when it comes to leadership.

Awesome idea, let's see if Spock wants to be same type of leader as Pike and what influence Pike is having on this. I'd love to see a young Spock leading missions and being less sure of himself.

Mainly because the writers are too focused on exploring Spock's friendship with Jim Kirk.

They've done a bit of that. That was the high point of Sehlat so it was great to see. Other than that episode I think they've only had two scenes together. The Pike and Spock friendship was so important and we know nothing about it compared to the decades of Spock and Kirk. It should have been a core aim of this series but it hasn't been. More of this time should be spent here.

So, can’t he do that when his relationship with La’an ends?
Why does he need to keep constantly reflecting on his relationships?

If they'd ended it sooner then sure but it's gone on for a long time now. Some insight into your own behaviour is key for character growth. He's moved from his fiancée, to being in love to having a casual / rebound thing and not paused to think about how this is affecting him or a the people he's involved with. That's a massive red flag. Spock's not perfect but he's a reflective and thoughtful man. It's pretty shallow to not even wonder if you're hurting your fiancée or your new causal partner. He's just stumbling through things like he's lost all of his wits.

Or maybe he's closer to TOS Spock then realized.

I think he's very far from TOS Spock right now.

Or maybe he's closer to TOS Spock then realized.

They can make excuses about how the writers strike affected quality and viewership.

It probably has more to do with CBS agreeing to a bias monitor, and likely far more impactfully, firing Stephen Colbert and cancelling his show. P+ probably lost a lot of subs with that decision.

Very possibly. I'm not sure how related the strike was to writing quality. Production quality maybe because they had less time but they had years to ponder the scripts.