What is your opinion of season 3 as a whole?

[gabby1701]

NuKirk flirted with NuUhura the first time he met her. He did not spend time chasing her. NuKirk peeped at Carol when she was changing. He did not spend time chasing her. His shallow, some might say callous, womanising was a sign of his loneliness. Also, NuSpock dumped NuUhura prior to ST Beyond.

Also, I would not say that the interactions when his guard is down in Naked Time and Amok Time prove that Spock had no feelings for Chapel, so much as he was conflicted and resisting any feelings he might have for Chapel. He apologises to Chapel. Why does he do that if he has no feelings?

The portrayal of women in TOS was not universally poor but there was an assumption in the writing that female officers were not good at their jobs, except the menial elements. Angela Martine, Uhura, and Charlene Masters were tough in a crisis but even Uhura needs propping up by a man on more than one occasion. Grace Lee Whitney lamented that all the yeomen were cute and not very bright, especially for trained astronauts. This was not good writing.

I do think that characters should have flaws and weaknesses but the actresses in TOS were often more accomplished than their empty-headed characters who were working on a spaceship.

Have not seen 2009 in a long while but kirk did chase uhura for 3 years. I do not think he was in love with her, I just think he found her appealing to sleep with. from the moment in th bar till near the end, the movie showed him lustfully attracted to uhura. lust not love. he only backed away when he saw her with spock.

Kelvin Kirk been a woman conqueror saw uhura as some kind of challenge, which is why he also kept on bugging her about her first name. kirk would still have been trying to hit on her, if they did not reveal she and spock were an item.

SNW Spock ''feeling'' is one of a wet dream for misguided tv writing, I feel in a large context was based on some of negatives of the me too era that spilled into hollywood writing room, the me too movement did have positives and negatives and with the negatives is to have men always be in the wrong no matter what or men to be the guilty party all the time.

chapel is the one who broke up and humiliated him, she was the one that needed to apologise but since the whole point of SNW is to flip everything from TOS you get what you have. look to make it easy- this is the flip.

TOS : Chapel is the love sick puppy
SNW: Spock is the love sick puppy.

Well may be neither should have been the love sick puppy.

Lastly I agree TOS women were very accomplished, I think even Spock says to uhura that she was the very best at her job when she was doubting herself and bones found chapel a very good nursing assistance. For a 60s standard this was good and very realistic especially on a spaceship were men tend to fare better in. but that is not what we have in 2026 SNW with the characters is it?

 

[Leo Walsh]

SNW Spock ''feeling'' is one of a wet dream for misguided tv writing, I feel in a large context was based on some of negatives of the me too era that spilled into hollywood writing room, the me too movement did have positives and negatives and with the negatives is to have men always be in the wrong no matter what or men to be the guilty party all the time.

Nope.

Stop projecting irrelevant issues into the show. The axe-grinding about women and feminism is not a good look.

 

[Danny99]

That's some hyperbole right there. There is absolutely no way Four and a Half Vulcans can be considered worse than And the Children Shall Lead or Shades of Gray. I mean, come on, really? Really?

Using them as examples to basically state Four & A Half Vulcans is the worst SNW episode.

Where it ranks on that list? I'm not wading into that cesspool tonight.

 

[Cyrus]

Loved it. SNW is my favorite current Star Trek series.

 

[Firebird]

SNW Spock ''feeling'' is one of a wet dream for misguided tv writing, I feel in a large context was based on some of negatives of the me too era that spilled into hollywood writing room, the me too movement did have positives and negatives and with the negatives is to have men always be in the wrong no matter what or men to be the guilty party all the time.

What is this incel bullshit?

 

[The Salt Umpire]

I'm jumping in midway here, so forgive me if something is mentioned already on the previous nine pages.

I think the main way to describe Season 3 was uneven. Some decent episodes and some really bad ones and some rehashes that we didn't need.

Hegemony Part II was alright. You had to get M'Benga & Sam Kirk back, but I found that half of the episode to be better than the Pike side. I was frustrated that the Gorn simply got put into hibernation, but it follows Trek tradition of not being able to stick the landing in Part II's.

Wedding Bell Blues continues to beat this dead horse of the Spock/Chapel relationship and then pushes him into a relationship with La'an. I get that Ethan Peck is physically attractive, but he was never interested in Chapel in TOS and here, he's like a love sick puppy. Rhys Darby was fun and I enjoyed the trickster stuff in a fun way, but I was done with the relationship and just didn't care.

Shuttle To Kenfori. I like the episode as a Pike/M'Benga friend journey. The Klingon storyline could have been chopped and Pike still could have extracted the admission of guilt from M'Benga. Zombies have been done, even in Trek. It was an opportunity to do something different and we got zombies.

While I liked A Space Adventure Hour as an hour of TV, it is yet another episode of the SNW cast playing different characters. They use the proto-holodeck as a McGuffin to get there and all we're doing is more La'an/Spock relationship building. I'll forgive them if there is some event in the future where La'an is killed tragically that forces Spock to close that part of himself off, but right now, its just cringy writing.

Through The Lens Of Time was the first good episode of the season, even with the continued featuring of the love triangle. I got lost in some of the explanation of the whatever they were in, but at least it was closer to Star Trek than anything else so far in the season.

Sehlat was another good episode. It could have been two separate episodes between the original crew coming together on the Farragut and the human colonist story. As much as it had been done with Star Trek Beyond etc, a group that decided to leave Earth and then take an absolute shit kicking to become this vengeful scrapper group is an interesting concept.

What is Starfleet? was my favourite of the season. Even if Beto is being disingenuous, we still got more character development for Uhura and Ortegas that we had up until this point. It was different to see the events happen from a third party view instead of being right on top of them.

Four & A Half Vulcans is SNW's Threshold, And The Children Shall Lead, These Are The Voyages, Shades of Grey and it is probably worse than most of them. Obviously written for a reason to stick the four regulars in Vulcan makeup for wacky hijinks, it is painfully bad to watch the actors try and be Vulcans. I will admit to some laughs with Vulcan Pike, if only because he leans into the absurdity into the story. The La'an wants to stay Romulan storyline is out of left field (all of their "we want to stay Vulcan stuff" was silly) and the problem is again solved by love with an assist fro the power of dance. The Una stuff with Patton Oswalt was another WTF moment. She is this cool, collected officer, but Doug drives her wild? Why? The joke isn't funny. The only part of the episode I would watch again is the post credit scene with Peck & Oswalt going back and forth.

Terrarium was the best episode of the season until they dragged the Metrons into it. There was no reason other to have them other than "hey look a TOS reference." The episode had been a tour de force from Melissa Navia, who basically is acting by herself, in a fake environment, and doing a damn good job of it. But the minute La'an is sent off the bridge to go rescue Ortegas, you know she is going to kill the Gorn and the episode doesn't have any payoff from the moment.

New Life & New Civilizations was frustrating. For the entire season, Batel seemed like an after thought, that the writers truly had no idea what to do with her after they made her part Gorn. Nurse Gamble is partially saved from being a redshirt by being an excellent villain. But if we deleted Four & A Half Vulcans, moved Terrarium back and had a two part finale, so we could have longer, more intimate scenes in the world Batel created for Pike. It was a great idea, but it feels shoved in amongst all this other stuff that's going on and it shortchanges characters like M'Benga, who the villain has this interest in. It felt very rushed, but it was still a decent episode.

Another irritating thing in this season was the forced inclusion of James Kirk in some episodes. Paul Wesley plays him well, but is this his show or Anson Mount's as Pike? Four & A Half Vulcans - he shows up to visit Sam, apparently not checking in ahead, but sticks around to drink with Scotty so he can get swept up in the La'an plot. He should be used sparingly.

Can we cut Pelia now? She isn't funny. I didn't find the telephone bit funny nor did I find her scenes throughout the season to do anything to further the story. I get she is the intended comic relief, but they keep giving her these time traveller lines and again, just not interested.

The romance story plots with Spock need to be thrown out. I'm sorry if Ethan Peck or Jess Bush or whoever wants them, but you are writing a series that's a prequel. I'm not a fan that declares the bridge should look like it did in the 60's or the Klingons should have smooth heads, I get that real life technology allows for new and interesting thing. But it is bad writing to take pre-established characters with pre-established ways of acting and change them up. If anything, Spock feels like a creep that can't let go of Chapel, when in TOS, he could care less about her for the most part.

My thoughts are similar, that was a nice post that took a little work. I am weary of Kirk. Enough.

 

[Pauln6]

Have not seen 2009 in a long while but kirk did chase uhura for 3 years. I do not think he was in love with her, I just think he found her appealing to sleep with. from the moment in th bar till near the end, the movie showed him lustfully attracted to uhura. lust not love. he only backed away when he saw her with spock.

Kelvin Kirk been a woman conqueror saw uhura as some kind of challenge, which is why he also kept on bugging her about her first name. kirk would still have been trying to hit on her, if they did not reveal she and spock were an item.

SNW Spock ''feeling'' is one of a wet dream for misguided tv writing, I feel in a large context was based on some of negatives of the me too era that spilled into hollywood writing room, the me too movement did have positives and negatives and with the negatives is to have men always be in the wrong no matter what or men to be the guilty party all the time.

chapel is the one who broke up and humiliated him, she was the one that needed to apologise but since the whole point of SNW is to flip everything from TOS you get what you have. look to make it easy- this is the flip.

TOS : Chapel is the love sick puppy
SNW: Spock is the love sick puppy.

Well may be neither should have been the love sick puppy.

Lastly I agree TOS women were very accomplished, I think even Spock says to uhura that she was the very best at her job when she was doubting herself and bones found chapel a very good nursing assistance. For a 60s standard this was good and very realistic especially on a spaceship were men tend to fare better in. but that is not what we have in 2026 SNW with the characters is it?

Key part of this is 'for the sixties standard this was good" but actually, it wasn't that good. There were many examples of tough, competent female characters in the forties, fifties, and sixties. Trek had a habit of saying, this woman is highly qualified, and then either proceeded to give her no dialogue relevant to her profession while treating her as a love interest (Ann Mulhall, Mira Romaine), let her feelings for a man make her forget her duty (Carolyn Palamas, Marla McGivers, Theresa Ross), or just let be wrong-headed about what was going on (Helen Noel, Miranda Jones, Areel Shaw).

The women in the Cage were quite good. Janet Wallace was decent. Vanna was impressive. And I do admire Miranda Jones for telling all the men who were perving over her to just f##k off, albeit more politely.

My thoughts are similar, that was a nice post that took a little work. I am weary of Kirk. Enough.

I think four appearances per season has more to do with keeping the actor on the hook than anything else.

 

[gabby1701]

What is this incel bullshit?

No it is not incel bullshit. I am actually sick of both sides and both sides tend to spill their agenda on shows. America has had a super boiling political and social climate in the last 10-12 years and we have seen it manifest in tv and movies. I think the snow white movie in 2025 may be the best example of how bad the impact can be when you go on the extreme end of one side. SNW I would say can be as problematic as the snow white movie too.

I do not want to see women be nothing more than dumb sex object bimbos in tv and movies. that is wrong and I feel women deserve better. female characters can be sexy, intelligent, professional at their jobs and compelling at the same time. Trek even showed cased in the past.

Also I do not also want to watch a show were male characters are constantly portrayed as weak, incompetent, lesser and always getting whipped by the female characters all the time either.

I was reading an IMDB review on SNW and a user review rightfully went on a good rant on season 3 episode 1 because of Chapel's constant dominance over Spock in the episode. ridiculous when we know none of this was close to the truth of TOS.

My opinion of season 3, the modern day feminist agenda is doing a lot of damage in the show because it is making the writing awful. a lot of people seem quick to criticise the rom com love triangle but it is like they are also scared to call out the elephant in the room and that is the men in the love triangle or story are nothing more than accessory for the women to show resilience and power.

 

[Michael]

“Modern day feminist agenda”, LMAO. I’m so sorry for anyone who goes through this world (and watches media) viewing everything through the lens of “who is dominating whom”. Nothing like that is happening anywhere on Strange New Worlds. Not liking how they are portraying Spock and Chapel is one thing, but this whole Men’s Rights crap is pure conspiracy nonsense and has no basis in reality.

 

[Pauln6]

No it is not incel bullshit. I am actually sick of both sides and both sides tend to spill their agenda on shows. America has had a super boiling political and social climate in the last 10-12 years and we have seen it manifest in tv and movies. I think the snow white movie in 2025 may be the best example of how bad the impact can be when you go on the extreme end of one side. SNW I would say can be as problematic as the snow white movie too.

I do not want to see women be nothing more than dumb sex object bimbos in tv and movies. that is wrong and I feel women deserve better. female characters can be sexy, intelligent, professional at their jobs and compelling at the same time. Trek even showed cased in the past.

Also I do not also want to watch a show were male characters are constantly portrayed as weak, incompetent, lesser and always getting whipped by the female characters all the time either.

I was reading an IMDB review on SNW and a user review rightfully went on a good rant on season 3 episode 1 because of Chapel's constant dominance over Spock in the episode. ridiculous when we know none of this was close to the truth of TOS.

My opinion of season 3, the modern day feminist agenda is doing a lot of damage in the show because it is making the writing awful. a lot of people seem quick to criticise the rom com love triangle but it is like they are also scared to call out the elephant in the room and that is the men in the love triangle or story are nothing more than accessory for the women to show resilience and power.

I agree that Star Trek should have a wide variety of male and female characters but what you cite as good examples tend to have more in common with Smurfette syndrome, where you have one bad ass female character in a sea of male characters.

All throughout the nineties, Trek had delusions of equality despite having twice the number of male characters as female and more female characters outside the hierarchy. If Chakotay hadn't lobbied for Be'Lanna, every senior crewman on Janeway's Voyager crew would have been male. Everyone except her helmsman was male before the Delta Quadrant.

Modern Trek is the first era where numbers have been fully equalised and yet some people complain this is woke. It's a silly hill to die on.

I will concede thar canonically, only a third of Enterprise crew was female until the TMP era, where they tried to cast equal numbers, which then backslid to a third for the TWOK era. On that basis, one could argue that there should be more men in the main cast, but in TNG the numbers were supposed to be equal and they had twice as many men, so it's a flimsy argument. What's good for the goose...

You could also look at this examination of the Enemy Within about how well TOS treated its female characters.

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[gabby1701]

“Modern day feminist agenda”, LMAO. I’m so sorry for anyone who goes through this world (and watches media) viewing everything through the lens of “who is dominating whom”. Nothing like that is happening anywhere on Strange New Worlds. Not liking how they are portraying Spock and Chapel is one thing, but this whole Men’s Rights crap is pure conspiracy nonsense and has no basis in reality.

its no consisipary. it is the reality of the show and it hurts the story telling structure. many of the best TNG and DS9 episode were because Picard and Sisko knew how to be a real leaders.

Are we going to deny William Shatner masculine brashness as Kirk was not a good influence on TOS?

In real the world of NASA the gender ratio is 65% male and 35% male.

In SNW the gender ratio is 66% female and 33% female.

The bridge crew remains disproportionately female, featuring Lt. Ortegas, Lt. Uhura, and Cmdr. Una alongside Captain Pike and Spock, creating an unrealistic 50/50 gender split compared to the male-majority crews of classic Star Trek or real-world naval settings, where women hold roughly 15-25% of officer roles in the real world.

it cannot be a conspiracy theory when the numbers do not lie and to make matter worse in SNW the 35% male crew are always easily second guessed by the female and not in reverse.

this is an early version of scotty, the iconic engineer of TOS. In Season 3, Episode 1, Scotty is reimagined as a disorganized "messy genius" always corrected by Lt. Cmdr. Pelia, an older female engineer and a some what unclear mentorship.

This dynamic diminishes Scotty's legacy to elevate a female character, a narrative choice that would likely be condemned as misogynistic if a male mentor berated a female engineer in the same fashion. Also in the world of engineering it is a rare that it should even be the case since men tend to excel well in that line of work and scotty from tos is very iconic for it....the iconic.... beam me up scotty phase will be lose tere in sne

I know people bluffed when I said nurse does more than doctor but what of scotty too? why is Pelia always correcting him and why is he shown incompetent to her?

 

[Leo Walsh]

its no consisipary [sic]. it is the reality of the show and it hurts the story telling structure.

It is absolutely not, and it doesn't. This is apparently your skewed perception, and does you no favors in attempting to, uh, "critique" the series.

You should stop it now.

That wouldn't improve any of your other mistaken premises and erroneous "observations," but there's really nothing to be done about that.

 

[Tallguy]

For all of the ups and downs of this season I'm finding it largely forgettable. Some of these episodes I only remember because people here have complained about them so much.

Four and a Half Vulcans was far more watchable than lots of The Worst of Star Trek. I'll take the "science" of FaaHV over the "science" (or even the SCIENCE) of Relics. And I'll watch this twice before I watch most of the Ferengi episodes and all of the Mirror Universe episodes.

I don't think there is anything or at least much that is going to draw me back. If I want to bask in the glory of Wesley's Kirk I have better episodes in season 2. MAYBE Sehlat, I grant you. Maybe. But I keep forgetting about it. Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow live rent free in my heart.

I try not to judge SNW too much with how it fits with other Star Trek because that ship has sailed, dropped off it's cargo, and probably run aground and been turned into a gift shop. But they set up the Kirk and La'an tension in season two and then short circuited it with Carol and David. Fine. But we're a year later and we've brought back Kirk a few times again. Does this never come up?

I know SNW is the "fresh faced take" on TOS characters. But Scotty (and Doohan) was the older character in the cast (along with McCoy). I really like Martin Quinn. When he meets Pelia and lets out the weariest "Professor!" I loved him right away. But not only is the actor young but they're playing the character as young. Of course it doesn't help that Quinn is 30ish and Wesley is mid 40s.

The Gorn: I get they wanted to do Enemy Mine with Ortegas. And that's very Star Trek. But they haven't set the Gorn up as an opposing ideology. This isn't a totalitarian government that might have some passionate dissenters. They've set the Gorn up as a malevolent life cycle. "I want to be nice and respect other cultures but I have to lay my eggs someplace, you know?"

And they threw in the Metrons to say "See? You all worried about how this would match with TOS - because it obviously doesn't, right? But it's OK because we have a PLAN! You'll be so surprised!" Meh.

I'll probably see it again because my wife loves this show more than I do so a re-watch is nearly inevitable. And it will be fun. Because it's Star Trek.

(But my daughter is watching Deep Space Nine for the first time. Emmisary is AMAZING.)

 

[HauntRod]

No it is not incel bullshit. I am actually sick of both sides and both sides tend to spill their agenda on shows. America has had a super boiling political and social climate in the last 10-12 years and we have seen it manifest in tv and movies. I think the snow white movie in 2025 may be the best example of how bad the impact can be when you go on the extreme end of one side. SNW I would say can be as problematic as the snow white movie too.

I do not want to see women be nothing more than dumb sex object bimbos in tv and movies. that is wrong and I feel women deserve better. female characters can be sexy, intelligent, professional at their jobs and compelling at the same time. Trek even showed cased in the past.

Also I do not also want to watch a show were male characters are constantly portrayed as weak, incompetent, lesser and always getting whipped by the female characters all the time either.

I was reading an IMDB review on SNW and a user review rightfully went on a good rant on season 3 episode 1 because of Chapel's constant dominance over Spock in the episode. ridiculous when we know none of this was close to the truth of TOS.

My opinion of season 3, the modern day feminist agenda is doing a lot of damage in the show because it is making the writing awful. a lot of people seem quick to criticise the rom com love triangle but it is like they are also scared to call out the elephant in the room and that is the men in the love triangle or story are nothing more than accessory for the women to show resilience and power.

its no consisipary. it is the reality of the show and it hurts the story telling structure. many of the best TNG and DS9 episode were because Picard and Sisko knew how to be a real leaders.

Are we going to deny William Shatner masculine brashness as Kirk was not a good influence on TOS?

In real the world of NASA the gender ratio is 65% male and 35% male.

In SNW the gender ratio is 66% female and 33% female.

The bridge crew remains disproportionately female, featuring Lt. Ortegas, Lt. Uhura, and Cmdr. Una alongside Captain Pike and Spock, creating an unrealistic 50/50 gender split compared to the male-majority crews of classic Star Trek or real-world naval settings, where women hold roughly 15-25% of officer roles in the real world.

it cannot be a conspiracy theory when the numbers do not lie and to make matter worse in SNW the 35% male crew are always easily second guessed by the female and not in reverse.

this is an early version of scotty, the iconic engineer of TOS. In Season 3, Episode 1, Scotty is reimagined as a disorganized "messy genius" always corrected by Lt. Cmdr. Pelia, an older female engineer and a some what unclear mentorship.

This dynamic diminishes Scotty's legacy to elevate a female character, a narrative choice that would likely be condemned as misogynistic if a male mentor berated a female engineer in the same fashion. Also in the world of engineering it is a rare that it should even be the case since men tend to excel well in that line of work and scotty from tos is very iconic for it....the iconic.... beam me up scotty phase will be lose tere in sne

I know people bluffed when I said nurse does more than doctor but what of scotty too? why is Pelia always correcting him and why is he shown incompetent to her?

If you're trying to show that you're not an incel, none of this is helping your cause.

 

[Pauln6]

In SNW the gender ratio is 66% female and 33% female.

The bridge crew remains disproportionately female, featuring Lt. Ortegas, Lt. Uhura, and Cmdr. Una alongside Captain Pike and Spock, creating an unrealistic 50/50 gender split compared to the male-majority crews of classic Star Trek or real-world naval settings, where women hold roughly 15-25% of officer roles in the real world.

it cannot be a conspiracy theory when the numbers do not lie and to make matter worse in SNW the 35% male crew are always easily second guessed by the female and not in reverse.

this is an early version of scotty, the iconic engineer of TOS. In Season 3, Episode 1, Scotty is reimagined as a disorganized "messy genius" always corrected by Lt. Cmdr. Pelia, an older female engineer and a some what unclear mentorship.

I think maybe you have a degree of confirmation bias, viewing any time a male character contradicts a female character, like Troi in nearly every episode of TNG, it's normal to you, but if a woman does it to a man, it's somehow emasculating and justifies your views.

I will admit, I do think SNW should have more male characters on the bridge. It's odd that one of the spare slots, like navigation, has a woman there more often than a man. That said, TOS did not have 1/3 of stations manned by women - I don't think I ever saw more than 2 (excluding yeomen), so if it's possible to have bias in one direction, it's possible to have it in the other.

I also think Shatner portrayed Kirk as a far more complicated character than an incel idol. He was well-read, insightful, calculating, willing to take one for the team. lonely, and very liberal.

I know SNW is the "fresh faced take" on TOS characters. But Scotty (and Doohan) was the older character in the cast (along with McCoy). I really like Martin Quinn. When he meets Pelia and lets out the weariest "Professor!" I loved him right away. But not only is the actor young but they're playing the character as young. Of course it doesn't help that Quinn is 30ish and Wesley is mid 40s.

Scotty is the swing and miss at this point. I think there is a desire to want to portray him as an engineering genius. He wasn't. He was a competent engineer and a very good officer/leader. Every time they play him as a genius engineer and a terrible officer, it just feels wrong. Quinn could have played him as older, even if he was a junior officer. I struggle to see how they can get to TOS scotty in 5 years or so from this base.

 

[Tallguy]

I think there is a desire to want to portray him as an engineering genius. He wasn't. He was a competent engineer and a very good officer/leader. Every time they play him as a genius engineer and a terrible officer, it just feels wrong. Quinn could have played him as older, even if he was a junior officer. I struggle to see how they can get to TOS scotty in 5 years or so from this base.

I think the only reason why Scotty wasn't seen as more of a genius in TOS was because he always had to be dumber than Spock. (If you'd asked Doohan he'd have told you.) If Spock had to be busy then Scott could save the day.

Not in Lights of Zetar of course. He was a moron in that one.

 

[1001001]

In real the world of NASA the gender ratio is 65% male and 35% male.

In SNW the gender ratio is 66% female and 33% female.

The bridge crew remains disproportionately female, featuring Lt. Ortegas, Lt. Uhura, and Cmdr. Una alongside Captain Pike and Spock, creating an unrealistic 50/50 gender split compared to the male-majority crews of classic Star Trek or real-world naval settings, where women hold roughly 15-25% of officer roles in the real world.

it cannot be a conspiracy theory when the numbers do not lie

That's some math you've got going there.

 

[Firebird]

If you're trying to show that you're not an incel, none of this is helping your cause.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

 

[Pauln6]

I think the only reason why Scotty wasn't seen as more of a genius in TOS was because he always had to be dumber than Spock. (If you'd asked Doohan he'd have told you.) If Spock had to be busy then Scott could save the day.

Not in Lights of Zetar of course. He was a moron in that one.

Yup. Spock was such a Mary Sue.

But even then, what did Scotty do that wasn't just meat and potatoes engineering? He rewired stuff, he bypassed the odd circuit, and patched up stuff temporarily. He didn't turn a hairdryer into a dimensional portal. This was very much Geordi's or Wesley's wheelhouse. Scotty was more like O'Brien.

He did plumb in a cloaking device with no prior prep, which I thought was far fetched in a story with a lot of plot holes. Anything else?

You don't need to be a genius to run engineering. You just have to know which junior officer can get the job done.

 

[fireproof78]

know people bluffed when I said nurse does more than doctor but what of scotty too? why is Pelia always correcting him and why is he shown incompetent to her?

Experience. She's the chief engineer.

Modern Trek is the first era where numbers have been fully equalised and yet some people complain this is woke. It's a silly hill to die on.

Trek has largely been male dominated, even the vaunted TNG. It's a silly number games that reduce everything to a statistic rather than enjoying the show.

It's tragic really, but inevitable I guess. In today's day and age everything must be pathologized, labeled and quantified as a disorder or category rather than taken at face value.