What is your opinion of Capt. Jellico?

[Mr. Scott]

Howdy!

What is your opinion of Captain Edward Jellico? was he such a bad guy?

I don't blame him for not liking Riker. He wants four shifts not three. It is his ship. Jellico had a very direct way fo command and he was never crass, disrespectful or above it all. Jellico acted like a military commander going into a hostile situation and everyone is whining and complaining.

Was he so wrong in asking Troi not to wear the catsuit? Wear a uniform lady!

He had a young son he loved very much and had his cartoonish drawings in the ready room.

I don't like fish. Get rid of the fish. He didn't kill the fish. picard would of kicked his ass if he did.

He knew how to talk to those punk ass Cardassians.

He's the Captain, "Captain on the Bridge" is what is to be said. This is standard protocol.

The man just had his own way of doing things. Opinions?

 

[JB2005]

There was a thread on this, couple of months ago. Have a hunt around the TNG page you'll find it

Howdy!

EDIT: http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=98194

We apparently voted, and decided he was a good Captain!

 

[JustKate]

I thought he had some fine ideas but was far too much of a jerk in carrying them out. Here he inherits this crew - whose beloved captain had been stolen from them - and he comes in and acts like a total, unmitigated jerk for no good reason. Storms around, barking orders, changing things before having any real idea what's going on.

I have no problem with him being no-nonsense, I have no problem with him doing things his own way - he is the captain - Riker was being pretty damn whiny, I must say, and I'm delighted he got Troi into a uniform. But he was still a jerk.

I think he came across as vain and insecure, to honest. A real leader doesn't have to act like a jerk in order for his orders to be obeyed. From the moment he got on the ship, he acted like he had no respect for his crew.

That's just not right.

And my husband, who served in the U.S. Marine Corps and has extensive experience with officers of all sorts (jerks and non-jerks), thought him an even bigger jerk that I do, by the way. I think that's interesting because sometimes when this subject comes up, there are people who say, "Oh, but that's how real officers act." My husband's opinion, however, is that while there are indeed a lot of officers who act that way, that doesn't change the fact that they're jerks. The good ones get their way without being assholes.

That said, Jellico usually gets a fair amount of love here on the BBS. I've never really understood why, but he does. We had a poll a short while back. Here is, in case you or anybody else is interested: http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=98194&highlight=jellico

I enjoyed the episodes that featured him, and I'm glad we got to see a different kind of Starfleet captain - a captain who is a total jerk is kind of a rarity in Trek. But he was still a jerk.

 

[JB2005]

I think part of it is down to Ronny Cox. If you ever meet him in real life he is apparently one of the nicest men you'll ever come across, so when he acts I think he likes playing the hard-ass...

 

[nx1701g]

I think part of it is down to Ronny Cox. If you ever meet him in real life he is apparently one of the nicest men you'll ever come across, so when he acts I think he likes playing the hard-ass...

I've had the honor of meeting him and, to be honest, I was scared to death to talk to him because I expected that he would be Dick Jones/Cohagen/Jellico because I always assumed that you just couldn't pretend or practice to be like those characters. We got talking and he's the exact opposite and I thought he was one of the nicest people I'd ever met.

 

[WillsBabe]

Captain Jellico is popular around here. At least based on the frequence of the question being asked!

 

[Cyke101]

I imagine he's one of those specialty captains for specific kinds of missions or stories. Kind of like Leah Brahms, but with covert ops instead of giant engines

 

[RyuRoots]

He probably had a service record worthy of medals in the Dominion War, and he gave the impression of an extremely capable military commander with a good ability to read a tactical situation. However, he definitely rubbed the Ent-D crew the wrong way due to his demands, and that reaction isn't unreasonable. He seems like someone who needs to really build a rapport between his own ship's crew and himself. Take him away from that crew and you get some friction, I think. Needs a crew that understands him and his style of command.

Also, I consider him a great man for getting Troi out of her idiotic looking outfits and making her look like a respectable officer.

 

[TalkieToaster]

My biggest problem with Jellico was that he refused to listen after being told his changes would cause problems, like he cared more about his dogmatic ideas about how to run a starship than the actual situations at hand

 

[Wally]

Also, I consider him a great man for getting Troi out of her idiotic looking outfits and making her look like a respectable officer.

Here, here. Utterly bizarre that Picard let that slide for so long.

 

[C.E. Evans]

IMO, the issue was Picard had set up the Enterprise-D to run a certain way (including having an informally-dressed counselor) and then Jellico came in and started immediately changing things to suit him. It would have been a different thing if Jellico had been captain from the start, IMO.

I even speculated in another thread that ship's counselor probably isn't a bridge position on other Galaxy-class ships, but that Picard simply wanted one on his--hence the third seat in the bridge command well. Had Jellico's tenure been permanant, he may even have had that third seat removed and relegated Troi back to her office below decks ("I'll call you if I need you, Counselor")...

 

[Cyke101]

IMO, the issue was Picard had set up the Enterprise-D to run a certain way (including having an informally-dressed counselor) and then Jellico came in and started immediately changing things to suit him. It would have been a different thing if Jellico had been captain from the start, IMO.

I imagine Jellico and Sisko have a lot in common, though Sisko would still perhaps be more laid back. Regardless, they tended to run tight ships (so to speak) and people like O'Brien, who also served under Picard, had no trouble adjusting to the station considering that it was the start of Sisko's command.

I even speculated in another thread that ship's counselor probably isn't a bridge position on other Galaxy-class ships, but that Picard simply wanted one on his--hence the third seat in the bridge command well. Had Jellico's tenure been permanant, he may even have had that third seat removed and relegated Troi back to her office below decks ("I'll call you if I need you, Counselor")...

Yeah, that makes a good chunk of sense to me, too. I recall a poster arguing through gritted teeth that counselors were just as vital as the bridge crew of any ship as the ops and tactical officer, and more vital than the chief engineer or the chief medical officer. When I asked him why Voyager didn't have one on the bridge at all times (theirs was in the kitchen all day), he just yelled out that it didn't make sense not to have the counselor on the bridge at all times, but he never explained why.

 

[Mysterion]

Would serve under Jellico before Picard any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

The man had high standards and demanded the best from his crew. Not a damned thing wrong with that. And with the exception of Data, the regulars all acted like spoiled children in those episodes. Especially Riker. How he got command of a ship more prominent than a slow freighter after his performance is a mystery to me.

 

[JB2005]

Should Jellico have replaced the E-D command crew with his own?

It was clear he was used to his style of command, which means it has worked for him in the past. I would say he is about as old as Picard, and perhaps has been a Captain for at least a few decades.

Therefore was it more to do with the wrong type of crew, than the wrong type of Captain?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Would serve under Jellico before Picard any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

The man had high standards and demanded the best from his crew. Not a damned thing wrong with that. And with the exception of Data, the regulars all acted like spoiled children in those episodes. Especially Riker.

This.

 

[Sakrysta]

I agree that the thing that made Jellico such an unlikeable character was his refusal to listen to the objections of his crew. His attitude of "do it my way no matter what chaos it may cause" is what made the crew dislike him so much, and by extension, the fans.

 

[Myasishchev]

I enjoyed the episodes that featured him, and I'm glad we got to see a different kind of Starfleet captain - a captain who is a total jerk is kind of a rarity in Trek. But he was still a jerk.

Well, a total jerk without being crazy (Decker) or evil (Garth) anyway.

 

[Cyke101]

Should Jellico have replaced the E-D command crew with his own?

It was clear he was used to his style of command, which means it has worked for him in the past. I would say he is about as old as Picard, and perhaps has been a Captain for at least a few decades.

Therefore was it more to do with the wrong type of crew, than the wrong type of Captain?

At that point, you might as well just get your own ship, I think. But that would've taken a lot of time.

Rather, it seemed that the Enterprise was chosen specifically because of the ship and crew. Aside from getting lovesick over Picard, the crew seemed to perform quite capably. Geordi was able to problem solve as usual, Data made for a fine first officer, even Crusher was handpicked for that special covert ops mission.

I'd like to imagine that once the mission was over, Picard turned the viewscreen to see his replacement fly into space yelling out "Jellico AWAYYYY!"

 

[JB2005]

At that point, you might as well just get your own ship, I think.

Jellico had his own ship, USS Enterprise...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I agree that the thing that made Jellico such an unlikeable character was his refusal to listen to the objections of his crew. His attitude of "do it my way no matter what chaos it may cause" is what made the crew dislike him so much, and by extension, the fans.

Jellico is the commanding officer. "Do it my way no matter what" is his right. He doesn't *have* to listen to objections. The fact that he didn't throw anyone in the brig - which would also be his right - is a testament to his self control.