What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!
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Well whatever canon intended or not intended the reboot Vulcans better be as active as rabbits since they lost 6 billion of their population. Sex is going to be very logical for them!
Being a desert race who can live to 200 years old or more, and who are a lot stronger, perhaps the fertility of the Vulcan females last longer i.e no menopause, no biological clock. In VOY Tuvok did say old Vulcan males had higher libidoes lol
Being a desert race who can live to 200 years old or more, and who are a lot stronger, perhaps the fertility of the Vulcan females last longer i.e no menopause, no biological clock. In VOY Tuvok did say old Vulcan males had higher libidoes lol
I don't think it's just the virus. Spock is different because his willing mate (or so he thought), T'Pring, is on Vulcan. If you remember In a Mirror Darkly, the flashbacks show that T'Pol and Tucker didn't go to Vulcan to cure her Pon Farr. I don't think it's any different from the prime universe. If they had made Pon Farr the catalyst for her to act on her feelings for Trip instead of Amanda Cole/trellium (which would have been a better writing choice), it wouldn't make any sense for them to go to Vulcan when she has a willing partner on the same freakin ship . As you know, a Vulcan has limited time to endure Pon Farr before they die. Why risk that if you're far from home? No wonder everything from Search for Spock onward ignores the salmon spawning line.
Don't forget about Sybok (who does came out of left field but still). I don't picture Vulcan government people telling couples how many children they should have (sounds like something from The Giver). But a more important reason why love children are rare is the mating bond. When you form one with your spouse, it's impossible to be devoted to another. So I think adultery would be unheard of in Vulcan society.
Well of course they are much more long-lived than humans, which would produce a cumulative effect on population numbers. Being worshippers of logic, they may also choose to bear as many children as required to sustain the population level.
Actually the miniskirt uniforms on TOS were one of the highlights of the series as for that period of history yeah no not evolved and no thanks.
I had a huge crush or two in TOS with Dr Helen Noel and Yeoman Tonia Barrows
I had a huge crush or two in TOS with Dr Helen Noel and Yeoman Tonia Barrows
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In Amok, didn't T'pring essentially admit that she was going to commit adultery with Stonn if Spock didn't free her?
Here is the dialogue between T'pring and Spock after Spock had "killed" the captain:
SPOCK: Why the challenge, and why you chose my captain as your champion.
T'PRING: Stonn wanted me, I wanted him.
SPOCK: I see no logic in preferring Stonn over me.
T'PRING: You have become much known among our people, Spock. Almost a legend. And as the years went by, I came to know that I did not want to be the consort of a legend. But by the laws of our people, I could only divorce you by the kal-if-fee. There was also Stonn, who wanted very much to be my consort, and I wanted him. If your Captain were victor, he would not want me, and so I would have Stonn. If you were victor you would free me because I had dared to challenge, and again I would have Stonn. But if you did not free me, it would be the same. For you would be gone, and I would have your name and your property, and Stonn would still be there.
It sounded to me that T'pring was planning on committing adultery if Spock didn't free her.
Apparently, Vulcans can and did lust for other Vulcans who were not their spouse. I got the impression that adultery was a fact of life even among Vulcans. By the way, I don't know what ponn farr had to do with T'pring and Stonn having the hots for one another.
Despite Spock's line of the engagement ceremony as more than betrothal, less than marriage, they were NOT IN A RELATIONSHIP. You can't cheat on someone you only saw once. I got the impression that in order to complete a marriage, you not only need a wedding. You need to live together for a year to form a bond. That's why when Koss released T'Pol, it's an annullment, not a divorce. But for that trial period, the women is still legally her husband's property. It's worth noting that T'Pol didn't act like Koss was between a betrothed and a husband. Then again, Spock never really tried to avoid marrying T'Pring (maybe he's trying hard to be a good Vulcan?). I can't picture T'Pol introducing Koss as her husband when she's betrothed even before she loses her prejudices towards humans.
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It might be a matter of interpetation, but if you are engaged to be married (betrothal) and have sex, or a romantic relationship, with another person, that's cheating.
Even outside of a betrothal, if you're in a dedicated relationsjip and have outside sex that's cheating. For most people anyway.
With so many errors being picked up by fans I am surprised that the show did not hire a team of trekkies to keep track of stuff. I have only just noticed this thread and are reading through it now.
Then it would never have been made. No team of trekkies can come up with a consensus. It's one of those constants in the universe, like the speed of light.
Unless your name is T'Ping and Stonn - I bet those two were logically fornicating.
I think some fans believe logic means being moral, the two are not always the same. T'Pau's reputation by the 24th century was she was ruthless with her logic, sounds like she could be a cold blooded bitch to me re her dealings with Archer and Surak's katra.
From her statement it sounds more like she would continue to have a relationship with Stonn, and not that she was going to start one.
My thoughts are that only Vulcanian males are biologically driven to go through the seven year cycle. You’ll note the T’pring was not exhibiting any of the symptoms of the plak tow that Spock was. I think that Vulcanian females only enter the plak tow after mating is initiated. Basically, the blood burn in Vulcanian females is not on a seven year cycle, but is initiated by her mate. So if Spock had taken T’pring then she would have entered into the plak tow which would culminate in mating.
Because of this difference I think there is a strong possibility that Vulcanians are biologically polyandrous. In a monogamous pairing a Vulcanian couple would only produce children once every seven years. However, in a polyandrous grouping a single Vulcanian female could bear children from multiple males, thus producing seven or so children every seven years. This would depend on the length of gestation of course. However this seems much more biologically advantageous than reproducing only once every seven years.
Now, just as in humans, culture plays a huge part in marriage and mating. So while Vulcanians may be biologically polyandrous they could be culturally monogamous. This puts T’pring’s statements and actions towards Stonn in a different light. Perhaps there is a polyandrous drive that is being suppressed due to culture.
Because of this difference I think there is a strong possibility that Vulcanians are biologically polyandrous. In a monogamous pairing a Vulcanian couple would only produce children once every seven years. However, in a polyandrous grouping a single Vulcanian female could bear children from multiple males, thus producing seven or so children every seven years. This would depend on the length of gestation of course. However this seems much more biologically advantageous than reproducing only once every seven years.
Now, just as in humans, culture plays a huge part in marriage and mating. So while Vulcanians may be biologically polyandrous they could be culturally monogamous. This puts T’pring’s statements and actions towards Stonn in a different light. Perhaps there is a polyandrous drive that is being suppressed due to culture.
T'Pol was visibly affected by pon farr in ENT, wasn't she?
Agreed. However, T'Pol's situation was brought on by a microbe not a seven year cycle. Even then she only mentions the "cycle of mating." She doesn't say that it happens to females only once every seven years. As a postulated, females would undergo blood fever as well. However, they are not locked into a seven years cycle.
T'Pol does mention that "It's not time." However it is not explicitly states what that "time" is. She could be referring to that fact that a real mating situation has not been initiated.
While I disregard it, nothing that I know of in Enterprise contradicts my hypothesis. (I can't believe I just fit Enterprise in with my theories.)
Nothing explicit, no. Though there is implication, by referencing earth Salmon. Admittedly, it is a weak connection since the spawning of Salmon was used in reference to the returning home aspect of Pon Farr.
In The Cloud Minders, during Spock and Droxine's exchange:
DROXINE: You only take a mate once every seven years?
SPOCK: The seven-year cycle is biologically inherent in all Vulcans. At that time, the mating drive outweighs all other motivations.
DROXINE: And is there nothing that can disturb that cycle, Mister Spock?
SPOCK: Extreme feminine beauty is always disturbing, madam.
It's still not conclusive, because it could be read that, while during Pon Farr the mating drive outweighs all other motivations, there is still a mating drive during other times. Or it could be read that it is only during this time that the mating drive is strong enough to outweigh all other motivations.
Of course extreme feminine beauty is enough to disturb this cycle.
I'll also admit that the "inherent in all vulcans" line kind of flies in the face of my theory. However, you'll note that Spock says extreme feminine beauty is disturbing, so we must presume that the cycle referenced earlier by the "all Vulcans" statement is actually referring to males. Unless extreme feminine beauty can also disturb the cycle of females as well.
Additionally, the seven year cycle being biologically inherent in "all Vulcans" would still be true even if the females had a flexible cycle, because the females (especially in a monogamous culture) would be synced up to their mate's cycle.
EDIT: Plus I'll throw in Saavik, who was able to help Spock right then and there on the Genesis planet even though it wasn't "her time of the seven year cycle." Though this could also be used as evidence against "seven year cycle only" model.
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By that standard, everyone from T'Pol to Prince Akeem is a cheater. Guess Akeem really was sowing his royal oats but not in the way his father thinks! And unlike T'Pol, he purposely traveled to find a replacement for his betrothed, which makes him the bigger cheater. Seriously though, that's a very old-fashioned view. In medieval Europe, the Catholic Church didn't even acknowledge the role of romantic love (or lack thereof for some unlucky couples) in marriage. I don't remember Romeo or Juliet being engaged to other people but if they were, the Church would have considered them adulterers even if they had no say in who they would marry.
A better example is In a Mirror Darkly, where there's no virus mentioned. I just assumed that mirror T'Pol was experiencing a normal 7 year cycle.
I'll also admit that the "inherent in all vulcans" line kind of flies in the face of my theory. However, you'll note that Spock says extreme feminine beauty is disturbing, so we must presume that the cycle referenced earlier by the "all Vulcans" statement is actually referring to males. Unless extreme feminine beauty can also disturb the cycle of females as well.
Additionally, the seven year cycle being biologically inherent in "all Vulcans" would still be true even if the females had a flexible cycle, because the females (especially in a monogamous culture) would be synced up to their mate's cycle.
If you don't take it literally, there's nothing that contradicts a female cycle. He could be mentioning feminine beauty as a pickup line. That said, you are right about how the cycle being inherent in all Vulcans is ambiguous as to whether women experience it independent of men. It's a matter of interpretation.
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