What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!

[PhaserLightShow]

* (Who was his first officer?)

Probably Sulu or Scotty, since Sulu took the conn in TMP and Scotty (and Sulu, next) were the next people in the chain of command.
Though, since it was a cadet cruise, it is possible either he had no First Officer or that Lieutenant Saavik was his XO.
Saavik did seem to be one of the higher ranking juniors (on par with that Lieutenant who had a marriage in TSFS), so it might make sense to give the trainees some command experience (besides "Kobyashi Maru"). The highest ranking one, specifically (Saavik seems like a good candidate, as Captain Spock is her mentor).

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Just work it out:

- The Ocampa would die out if they could only have one child at a time.
- The Ocampa have not, in fact, died out.
- Therefore they must logically be able to have many children at once.

Oooh! Let me try!

- The Ocampa would die out if they could only have one child at a time.
- Despite this, the VOY writers wrote episodes that implied that this was the case.
- Therefore, the VOY writers didn't really think things through.

 

[The Wormhole]

On a related note... When Starfleet gets in touch with Voyager, they do not ask about the status of Paris - a convict

They had no reason to. When contact is initially made at the end of Pathfinder, Tom's dad asks about him, Janeway tells him Tom's serving with distinction or something. So at this point, Starfleet knows his status.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

They had no reason to. When contact is initially made at the end of Pathfinder, Tom's dad asks about him, Janeway tells him Tom's serving with distinction or something. So at this point, Starfleet knows his status.

I meant before that... When they used the Hirogen array. I did wonder if the Doctor told Starfleet about Tom in passing, but who knows...

 

[The Wormhole]

I meant before that... When they used the Hirogen array. I did wonder if the Doctor told Starfleet about Tom in passing, but who knows...

1) Not everything got through before the array was destroyed. Which leads to
2) We know his dad sent a letter, though it didn't make it through. Since his dad was a Starfleet admiral, perhaps this is two birds with one stone, Admiral Paris gets to correspond with his son, the prison in New Zealand gets to learn the status of the convict they let out on a work release a few years back.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

1) Not everything got through before the array was destroyed. Which leads to
2) We know his dad sent a letter, though it didn't make it through. Since his dad was a Starfleet admiral, perhaps this is two birds with one stone, Admiral Paris gets to correspond with his son, the prison in New Zealand gets to learn the status of the convict they let out on a work release a few years back.

Would have been a nice touch if they'd explicitly said the Doctor had mentioned Tom was alive

 

[The Wormhole]

Would have been a nice touch if they'd explicitly said the Doctor had mentioned Tom was alive

It should be taken as read. Presumably the Doctor mentioned everyone who was serving aboard the ship, otherwise why are the Maquis getting mail from their loved ones and it would explain why no messages came in for anyone who died. So the very fact Tom's dad sent a message makes it clear the Doctor mentioned he was serving on the ship. The Doctor told Starfleet everyone who was aboard the ship and which of the ship's crew had been killed up to that point, so Starfleet could notify their families as appropriate.

 

[Anwar]

Well in the case of Krik it was definatly command heavy as both are fully capable of commanding a ship. I suppose Scotty would make a decent ships CO if he wasn't in love with Engineering so much.

Remember TOS says that you can make it all the way to Flag Officer Rank without ever commanding a Starship. We had a Commodore who never had been in charge of a Ship before...or any Command experience at all, really.

And in TNG we had McCoy as an Admiral.

 

[Nyotarules]

Remember TOS says that you can make it all the way to Flag Officer Rank without ever commanding a Starship. We had a Commodore who never had been in charge of a Ship before...or any Command experience at all, really.

And in TNG we had McCoy as an Admiral.

In RL do all flag officers need command of a ship experience? What about those in the JAG or Medical personnel, or engineering personnel?
In STNG Beverly Crusher was a Captain of a medical ship in one timeline, perhaps McCoy had that experience after TUC?

 

[Nerys Myk]

In RL do all flag officers need command of a ship experience? What about those in the JAG or Medical personnel, or engineering personnel?
In STNG Beverly Crusher was a Captain of a medical ship in one timeline, perhaps McCoy had that experience after TUC?

The Surgeon General of the Navy (US) is a Doctor and a Vice Admiral. From what I can tell all of his service has been in hospitals. and Medical units. nothing about commanding a ship.
From the wiki

On 3 March 1871, Congress passed legislation granting medical and other staff officers of the Navy “relative rank” with grades “equal to but not identical with the grades of the line.” This Naval Appropriations Act went further than any previous Congressional action in transforming and enhancing the Navy Medical Department. The Chief of the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery now had the additional title “Surgeon General,” with the relative rank of Commodore.

So I think that means not every Admiral is flag officer.

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

In RL do all flag officers need command of a ship experience? What about those in the JAG or Medical personnel, or engineering personnel?
In STNG Beverly Crusher was a Captain of a medical ship in one timeline, perhaps McCoy had that experience after TUC?

Even if they got a Captaincy without a ship to command, they'd still get command ability through being Officer of the Watch in the Royal Navy - OotD if thinking of the less superior US Navy...

In the RN, I think you have to go to sea at least once every three years to keep up with your watchkeeper's which, normally, happens on a minesweeper or some other small vessel

 

[Longinus]

The Surgeon General of the Navy (US) is a Doctor and a Vice Admiral. From what I can tell all of his service has been in hospitals. and Medical units. nothing about commanding a ship.

I always liked the idea that McCoy's admiral rank was due him having been the surgeon general (or equivalent) of the Starfleet.

 

[fireproof78]

In RL do all flag officers need command of a ship experience? What about those in the JAG or Medical personnel, or engineering personnel?
In STNG Beverly Crusher was a Captain of a medical ship in one timeline, perhaps McCoy had that experience after TUC?

I am not in the US military, but I did a quick read through the US Navy Manpower Manual that breaks down all the billets and jobs in the US Navy for officers. From what I understand, and this was just surface level information most jobs in the Navy can be promoted up to O-10 (Admiral rank), depending on performance and billet needs as mandated by the Chief of Naval Operations.

Starfleet would likely have Admiralty rates for all departments, not just Command level. I know its not canon but I love Josephs' Starfleet Technical Manual because it gives Tables of Organization, implying levels of ranks that are not normally scene in daily starship operations.

 

[Drone]

Elogium. *shudder*

Kes said, "The elogium occurs only once. If I am ever going to have a child, it has to be now!" (emphasis mine)

She specifically said "a child" and not "children."
Kor

There would be no way for her to know in advance if she would have a multiple birth. It's a possibility, not a given. Assume one, and maybe you'll get more, and always remember, With Six You Get Eggroll!!!!!

Weird time to not be literal.

Sometimes your sense of reality seems to be a bit dicey. If you actually watched the episode, it would be pretty plain to see that Kes' mood and demeanor throughout was fraught with strong emotional displays, doubt, uncertainty, and fearfulness. Such responses to a highly pressurized situation, would lend itself rather easily, I think, to a lack of precision and calmly articulated statements. Weird, huh? There you go again.

Oooh! Let me try!

- The Ocampa would die out if they could only have one child at a time.
- Despite this, the VOY writers wrote episodes that implied that this was the case.
- Therefore, the VOY writers didn't really think things through.

Never implied, though it seems like you wish that were the case. If it was, present evidence showing that. I think it beggars credulity to think that, whatever their failings otherwise, the obvious implication of where a one child limitation would lead, wouldn't have been beyond the comprehension of the Voyager writers, let alone the show runners who came up with the idea in the first place. If you care to suggest that they're common simpletons, go ahead. I just don't think that's quite supportable.

 

[BillJ]

Never implied, though it seems like you wish that were the case. If it was, present evidence showing that. I think it beggars credulity to think that, whatever their failings otherwise, the obvious implication of where a one child limitation would lead, wouldn't have been beyond the comprehension of the Voyager writers, let alone the show runners who came up with the idea in the first place. If you care to suggest that they're common simpletons, go ahead. I just don't think that's quite supportable.

You might want to do the math on having one child per adult female. Especially when some of those children have to be male in order to create baby Ocampa...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

If you actually watched the episode...

Nah. I watched it back in the day, but life is too damn short to waste it watching episodes of VOY.

 

[USS Triumphant]

It should be taken as read. Presumably the Doctor mentioned everyone who was serving aboard the ship

He's a computerized being. For all we know, he never said a word about any of it... but quietly sent a TON of relevant information to SFC in a data squirt through the network.

I always liked the idea that McCoy's admiral rank was due him having been the surgeon general (or equivalent) of the Starfleet.

I like it. But also, we don't know that he didn't command a rescue mission with a fleet of medical ships like what Beverly Crusher commanded in "All Good Things..." at some point after TUC. And I like the idea that he sat in the big chair on the Enterprise at least once, like in the novel "Doctor's Orders", but admittedly, that's not canon, and it probably wouldn't contribute much to earning admiral's pips even if it was.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We already knew (as per TNG's "Thine Own Self") that Beverly had qualifications to stand watch on the bridge, so her making Captain was not unexpected.

McCoy, on the other hand, has never shown any aptitude OR desire to sit in the center seat. So there's no reason to assume he ever had a captaincy.

 

[Drone]

You might want to do the math on having one child per adult female. Especially when some of those children have to be male in order to create baby Ocampa...

Ah, are you presenting yourself as some sort of Mensa with that statement? I, just as anyone else that has paid any attention to this matter, is fully aware of the numbers game, which has been posited ad infinitum. I wouldn't be making these statements if I didn't know the implications of such a reproductive course. The point is that obviously Ocampan females are not limited to one child, even if there's only one child bearing period, and that not only such a condition is never explicitly or implicitly stated, no one among the movers and shakers or scribes affiliated with the series, would be moronic or negligent enough to not recognize that reality, hence no actual mention of a single child cap.

How much simpler did I have to make my post to allow you to have avoided such a tone deaf response?

Oooh! Let me try!

- The Ocampa would die out if they could only have one child at a time.
- Despite this, the VOY writers wrote episodes that implied that this was the case.
- Therefore, the VOY writers didn't really think things through.

If you actually watched the episode,

Nah. I watched it back in the day, but life is too damn short to waste it watching episodes of VOY.

So, I think it can be safe to say that any surety you express about what was or wasn't actually stated or implied about the subject has about as much currency as yesterday's fish-wrap, putting aside the influence of the obvious animus you hold towards the series. Yeah, like that post really signifies much of anything.

 

[1001001]

Okay folks, move along please. No need to get personally insulting.

Consider this your "friendly warning".

Thanks.