I thought Enterprise was more entertaining than either Deep Space Nine or Voyager. I can't imagine my boredom if Berman and Company had made a 25th century series.
What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!
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I thought Enterprise was more entertaining than either Deep Space Nine or Voyager. I can't imagine my boredom if Berman and Company had made a 25th century series.
I guess our only hope was new producers and writers involved.
Agreed, season after season the series kept rewriting the 1966 Star Trek, and too much of TNG mythos kept creeping onto the show. A Star Trek Prequel should be a clean slate, not inventing arbitrary explanations to things audiences had already seen, nor implanting tech lingo retroactively (RETCONS).
Meh... to me, ENT was pretty bland and boring before the last season, but then that was a big blur of fanboyish continuity references.
If it had been a lot more exciting and entertaining from the get-go, then I wouldn't give a hoot about faithfulness to previous "cannnnnnnnnon" and continuity.
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If it had been a lot more exciting and entertaining from the get-go, then I wouldn't give a hoot about faithfulness to previous "cannnnnnnnnon" and continuity.
Kor
Because it's not a facet of the Daleks or Cybermen's mystique. Faceless robot hoard (TM pending) doesn't mean they all have to be the same-sort of.
The Borg were supposed to be a collective mind, a hive mind, who needed a spokesperson to communicate with the individualistic races of the Federation.
Never mind the question of what they did before, but I guess they have the Queen for that.
They never really needed to, they just thought having a famous Federation figure among their number to broadcast their invasion would make it easier to invade.[/QUOTE]
Though it has been argued to me before, I still don't really find the "disastrous first contact" with the Klingons to be that disastrous. I get that in the Klingons view it would be less honorable for the way that Starfleet dealt with him, but it still doesn't quite line up in my mind.
This is what I'm hoping for out of the new series. I don't care whether or not it lines up with TOS and the rest, just make it fun.
Since the comment comes two hundred years after the Broken Bow incident, that works for me.
I would agree but there have been arguments of how the Klingons would "interpret" the Broken Bow incident.
However, TOS seemed to frame it as a resource driven cold war, that the Klingons and the Federation kept bumping in to and competing with each other, and each contact was not a very good. ENT certainly supports that idea.
Picard didn't specify that the "disastrous first contact"was between Klingons and Humans.
I think the Klingons would regard the farmers actions with approval.
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I think so too, which is why I don't see the situation as problematic.
Star Trek isn't meant to be fun and exciting, it's supposed to be solemn and contemplative.
Biggest Continuity error?
The size of the Enterprise-E.
They contradicted themselves.....in the same movie.
Picard tells Lily there are 24 decks......
Then the security officer whose job was outsourced to Worf in subsequent movies told Worf how the Borg control Decks 26 up to 11..
Then, In Nemesis, a Reman boarding party commanded by Hellboy beam aboard..... onto Deck 29...
Then Riker and Clay Morrow slide down a jeffries tube.....that leads to a series of maintenance corridors and junctions....below Deck 29.....
Then Riker Kirk-stomps the Viceroy off a poorly welded piece of scaffolding....who plummets to his death.....down a bottomless chasm......below Deck 29.
I feel like the Enterprise is either a) getting fatter and needs to go on a diet or b) the subsequent decks get smaller and smaller a la that office floor in Being John Malkovich.
The size of the Enterprise-E.
They contradicted themselves.....in the same movie.
Picard tells Lily there are 24 decks......
Then the security officer whose job was outsourced to Worf in subsequent movies told Worf how the Borg control Decks 26 up to 11..
Then, In Nemesis, a Reman boarding party commanded by Hellboy beam aboard..... onto Deck 29...
Then Riker and Clay Morrow slide down a jeffries tube.....that leads to a series of maintenance corridors and junctions....below Deck 29.....
Then Riker Kirk-stomps the Viceroy off a poorly welded piece of scaffolding....who plummets to his death.....down a bottomless chasm......below Deck 29.
I feel like the Enterprise is either a) getting fatter and needs to go on a diet or b) the subsequent decks get smaller and smaller a la that office floor in Being John Malkovich.
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Yes, the apparently bottomless depths of the E represent "movie magic" stretched to its very limits.
But I'd also argue that it's the most pointless scene in NEM (Picard is ramming the Enterprise into another starship, and you are cutting to a fist-fight?). People cite the dune buggy and mind rape scenes, but I'd say this one is at least equal in cuttability.
Like going to church.
Worst continuity? TATV. Apart from revealing that the NX-01's chief engineer never went to college, it also makes zero sense in context with the TNG ep it's supposed to tie in to.
Because Trek that's fun and exciting is obscene and not true to Roddenberry's vision. Assuming we care about that this week, I often lose track when we're supposed to treat it as the defining principal of our lives and when we're supposed to ignore it as unfeasible.^ Why not both?
So basically it's because the Daleks and Cybermen weren't stupidly overpowered in the first place or made out to be some super-threat until years later.
That never ever works for a continuing species, ever. Even without TNG itself they always had some kind of "Borg Representative" in every story. "Q Who?" had Q and Guinan. BOBW had Locutus, I, Borg and Descent had Hugh and Lore.
How was the Xindi war boring?
Yes, the apparently bottomless depths of the E represent "movie magic" stretched to its very limits.
But I'd also argue that it's the most pointless scene in NEM (Picard is ramming the Enterprise into another starship, and you are cutting to a fist-fight?). People cite the dune buggy and mind rape scenes, but I'd say this one is at least equal in cuttability.
Like going to church.
Worst continuity? TATV. Apart from revealing that the NX-01's chief engineer never went to college, it also makes zero sense in context with the TNG ep it's supposed to tie in to.
It makes zero INTERNAL sense. I never watched Pegasus but I can never take Riker's problem seriously when he somehow has time to ask Malcolm some personal questions like the office gossip and kiss T'Pol as she makes carrots. And a certain Andorian who cares so much about honor has the bright idea to spend his retirement in a gang.
And, honestly, I don't see the distinction. Because both are robotic, faceless, enemies, I must accept all or none?
And?
If the Queen as a concept had been introduced as part of the Hive mind (an avatar if you will) in some capacity, referenced, but not seen, or something like that, then it might feel more organic. But, the Queen is kind of non-essential when we have various drones speaking on the part of the Borg, like Seven of Nine did.
I guess my larger point is that it doesn't feel organic to the Borg. It feels forced.
You didn't get the memo?
Yes, the debasement of Shran is one of my peeves here, although he did become a bit needy in general during the last two seasons.
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