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What is it about TOS that makes it look so distinctly 1960s?

Or is it the overall style of the show, the way it's shot and lit. Modern TV just doesn't look like Star Trek.

So, what is it then?
Mainly I think it's the use of colour. It was new on television back then, and if you pay attention, there's colour EVERYWHERE!!! And sometimes for absolutely no logical reason (green & violet light washing the walls near the ceiling??:lol:).

I love it!

And I think there is a lot to say about the longterm use o colors in space applications.

Maybe self-lighting walls and surfaces? Colors have been long-known as mood enhancers.
 
Language - here was a prime-time network hourlong drama that, with very few exceptions, stuck to a genuinely G-rated vocabulary for whole episodes. If I'm not mistaken, you could go months on end and hear no profanity from any of the characters. Proof positive they really don't make 'em like they used to!

I'm a little baffled as to why this is a good thing. Or do you never swear?

I, too, thought it was hilarious, as an example, when Kirk told the Klingon commander to "Go to the Devil". LOL
 
Oh, one more very positive and very period-specific feature of TOS:

Language - here was a prime-time network hourlong drama that, with very few exceptions, stuck to a genuinely G-rated vocabulary for whole episodes. If I'm not mistaken, you could go months on end and hear no profanity from any of the characters. Proof positive they really don't make 'em like they used to!

Just one damn minute, Captain...
:guffaw:


A double-dumb-ass on you! :rommie:

You'll find it in all the literature of the period...the collected works of Jacqueline Suzanne. The novels of Harold Robbins
 
Dennis..
I'm positive that George Adamski's "work" influenced the Invaders..

adamski.jpg



Oh Christopher..I was going for design ethic..a design when copied is still the same design (Pirate Gucci Handbags anyone?) So the source of the picture is irrelevant to the discussion at hand..

I wonder if the George Adamski saucer is patented or trademarked?
 
DakotaSmith, thanks a lot for the Old Time Radio links.

Irony of ironies, I'm mostly blind myself. I can still see a little so I can read some on my 'pooter by configuring the text larger but it's still tiring to read for long. I had been thinking this kind of old radio stuff could be popping up on the internet but I started listening to audiobooks some time ago.

I became a member of the National Library Services for the Blind and Handicapped, a part of the Library Of Congress that provide free library services. I used to be a voracious reader before my eyes went bad so I'm vastly enjoying getting back into the literary world again.

In fact, I just listened to Heinlein's "Green Hills" book a month ago so I'll be trying your link to that story pretty soon.

Thanks again,

Robert
 
DakotaSmith, thanks a lot for the Old Time Radio links.

Not a problem. I think any fan of SF should listen to Dimension X and X-Minus One. They were some of the best shows of the day, not to mention the best SF.

Our fathers' and now grandfathers' era of fan listened to these two shows just as religiously as we watch Doctor Who or Battlestar Galactica, after all. Even modern Star Trek, when it's been worth it ... ;)

But the Internet Archive really is your friend if you're into OTR or want to hear more of it. Most of the shows are now in the public domain, which means the Archive has an enormous collection.

It's not all great. There was a lot of low-budget stuff produced with just an organ for music and one over-worked sound effects guy who was so dedicated that he rarely missed a cue. It's like any other medium, with it's crap along with its genius.

In fact, in the larger genre of OTR I'd categorize Dimension X and X-Minus One not as genius radio, but a solid, well-executed and produced stories. They always had an orchestra, they had well-thought-out sound effects that helped tell the story. A few of the episodes were great radio, but not all of them.

They didn't push any boundaries of the medium, but told great stories.

Dragnet, on the other hand, features some serious genius in action. I recommend any two-part episode you see.

There's always a good chance that any random episode will be pretty damned good radio -- but Webb knew a really good story when he saw one. The two-parters were all really good stories.

Try "The Big Man": Friday goes undercover for six months to break a narcotics ring. He completely insinuates himself into a local gang in part 1 (resulting in their apprehension), then goes onto an undercover surveilance detail to catch the kingpin in part 2.

Fantastic radio: if the seagulls don't convince you that Friday and his men are eating lunch at the coast, nothing will. Listen to the scene carefully (you'll know which one) and see everything Webb put into it. The location, the dialog (some of which is very minor personal stuff that's brilliantly understated characterization) ... everything you hear puts you into an undercover surveillance detail who are now bored stiff from watching their little chunk of the real estate around the kingpin's house. Nobody says they're bored stiff because professional cops like Friday never bellyached about the downside of the job. Stakeouts were boring, and that was that.

But you can hear it in their voices, their conversation, the way they talk to the Captain when he comes to debrief them about the day's activities, hoping he'll bring news of some movement that will take them off surveillance. Yet right along with it, he's slipped in a ton of exposition about why they're doing the surveillance and how it fits into the bigger plan. Yet none of it ever seems forced. You're given all this stuff, layers, really, but it sounds perfectly natural.

Great story, brilliant radio. There's a reason Dragnet ran 314 episodes, the overwhelming majority produced concurrent with the weekly TV series. It's just that good. Plus, Jack Webb loved radio and resisted giving it up until 1957. He was one of the last major hold-outs.

Of course, there's a lot of OTR. Sit-coms, movie adaptations featuring the original casts, stand-up comedy, daytime soaps, detective shows, police shows, spy dramas, screwball comedies, thrillers ... it was an entire industry that young people today know almost nothing about. It was literally the broadcast television of its day, with thousands of hours' of airtime.

Most of it didn't survive, of course. Only rich listeners could afford the cutting-edge equipment to actually record what came over the radio, and even then they made pre-vinyl 78RPM record albums. What's left is mostly from affilliate stations that made recordings for delayed or later broadcast (again, pre-vinyl 78RPMs).

Of course, "high-tech" at the time meant you plopped the recorder's microphone in front of the speaker from your network feed and told everybody to shut up for the next half hour. Not exactly hi-fidelity.

Very occasionally, a network kept the original recordings, usually on well-preserved pre-vinyl 78s. You can usually tell those, as they lack the sound deficiencies you sort of come to expect of OTR. It gives you an idea of just how good these must have sounded when they first aired and with good reception.

Thankfully, a fair number of Dragnet survived that way -- some Dimension X/X-Minus One, too. I think "Green Hills" is one of those. The sound quality is very, very good for OTR.

Almost all of it is in the public domain and can be downloaded or streamed for free.

As I say, a bit of a passion of mine ... hope you get some fun from the links. :)

Dakota Smith
 
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Irishman...7 replies in a row in the same thread?

Yeah, I got excited!

Please refer to this part of our rules: "As a general rule, don't post more than two or three threads in a forum within a reasonable length of time."

It's understandable to get excited over something. However, please throttle it back a bit. One post at a time is more than sufficient. Give people a chance to respond.

I may not warn someone for 2 posts in a row, but I will warn a repeat offender for more than that.
 
Speaking of OTR radio, I'm about halfway through the Gunsmoke radio show, which makes pretty brilliant use of sound. That whole series is also available on archive.org.
 
You know, I've heard this for years and I just don't understand it. The delivery in TOS has always seemed far more naturalistic to me than the delivery in modern shows - especially TNG, in which no one raises their voices, no one talks over each other (a la Howard Hawks), everyone just says their side, and then the other person talks, then my turn again... Many modern shows (outside of Trek) have their actors simply mumble and whisper. i don't think it's "stagey" to enunciate clearly. The delivery in TOS is much more the way my friends and I speak to each other.
Now, there's a difference between naturalistic and realistic. In reality, people may mumble, be totally incomprehensible, and have no rapport with the person with whom they're speaking, and thus the dialogue has no flow or rhythm. Such delivery suits neither stage nor screen.

I'm glad you pointed this out. This is one of the things I appreciate most about TOS. There's often a kind of "genuine" banter between people. True, there are some stiff and awkward moments/deliveries, but most of it is well done. By far, the personal chemistry between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy is better than most of what I've seen in the other Star Trek series (save Janeway and Chakotay--they had some truly great interactions throughout the series). Picard was likable but stiff (and most everyone else seemed too artificial). Sisko was very personable and approachable, but his only real honest relationship was with his son (He and Dax weren't believable as deep running old friends to me).

There were definitely some things about TOS that exuded the 60's. Certainly the costumes, hairstyles, spartan sets, original special effects, some of the dialog, and most definitely various episode characters and moments (Way to Eden is a shoe-in, and of course Assignment Earth). But a lot of it feels timeless to me. My only real complaint was the pajama-style uniforms. I wish they'd gone with something a little more like what we saw on Enterprise, with just a bit more obvious differentiation in rank and general section assignment. Thankfully the primitive special effects have been nicely redone, although the Enterprise doesn't feel as "real" to me. The lighting just isn't right.
 
. . . Certainly the costumes, hairstyles, spartan sets, original special effects, some of the dialog, and most definitely various episode characters and moments (Way to Eden is a shoe-in, and of course Assignment Earth).
Shoo-in, dammit! Meaning a certain winner, as in a fixed horse race. Figuratively, the winning horse would only have to be “shooed” across the finish line and/or into the winner's circle.

(Sorry, I have a bug up my ass about little things like that.)

But a lot of it feels timeless to me. My only real complaint was the pajama-style uniforms.
I never thought the TOS men's uniforms looked like pajamas. They looked like shirts and pants. The shirts or tunics in the two pilot films were just a bit loose-fitting.
 
Another reason for all that dialogue is make sure the point is carried over to the audience in the event the visual effects department drops the ball in some way, either by a less-than-effective effects sequence or, worst case, not delivering a sequence at all in time to make air.
 
Has anyone pointed out yet that at the time TOS debuted, color TV was in its infancy and TV shows were popping up in outrageous day-glo colors in order to help justify the new medium?

Even at the time, I'm sure people realized it looked pretty absurd. They didn't walk around in a day-glo world in the 60s.
No, they did that in the early to mid '90s. :lol:

I remember some of the intense blues, greens, yellows and oranges from around that time.




I've been rereading some of this thread and it's pretty damn good.
 
Yah, why don't people like to renew old discussions here? A lot of em are better than current ones, when I start looking back. Only so many "what is your favorite _____" I can take, y'know. Of course many new ones are good too.
 
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