I think if they wanted it to be the next generation, they probably would let Picard be Stewart's real age of 47 or so instead of saying he's 47. That and different crossovers with the original cast would be the biggest necessary changes, possibly the only necessary ones. All of the other changes listed on here are pretty cool too.
What if TNG took place immediately after TUC?
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The limits a full-Betazoid Troi might face could be cultural rather than physical, similar to how Ilia needed an Oath of Celibacy for entering Starfleet, Troi could take a vow of privacy or something that would see her limit the use of her abilities among non-telepaths, or need to take an inhibitor that would reduce her telepathic abilities. This could open up interesting stories for her.
I don't think setting TNG earlier would have changed a lot about the show, when TNG started the year in which it took place wasn't decided on, all we knew was "24th century" which could have meant as early 2301 (which would even fit Data describing himself as "class of '78").
The TOS movies also threw a lot of very different starfleet ship designs at us, the Reliant, Grissom and Excelsior all had very different configurations, nacelle shapes etc., so even the galaxy class as a fourth completely different looking ship would fit in. The uniforms simply changed after TUC just like they changed after TMP.
The only change that would be necessary imo would be Worf, a klingon starfleet officer feels a bit too early for that point in time. He could simply be a klingon officer on the ship like Kira, Odo, Seven, T'Pol and Phlox were all non starfleet.
The TOS movies also threw a lot of very different starfleet ship designs at us, the Reliant, Grissom and Excelsior all had very different configurations, nacelle shapes etc., so even the galaxy class as a fourth completely different looking ship would fit in. The uniforms simply changed after TUC just like they changed after TMP.
The only change that would be necessary imo would be Worf, a klingon starfleet officer feels a bit too early for that point in time. He could simply be a klingon officer on the ship like Kira, Odo, Seven, T'Pol and Phlox were all non starfleet.
Well the Stargazer was originally going to be Constitution-refit but they changed it at the last minute. I always thought it would be cool to see it like that in some alternate-universe. I like the idea of some new type of ship but made as a kitbash of the original TOS Enterprise, maybe a bit like a Miranda looking TOS ship or even just a straight up Constellation-class knockoff with 4 TOS style nacelles and the old deflector dish sticking out somewhere.
"Originally" is an interesting choice of words. The gold Constellation class model was in Picard's ready room right away in Farpoint itself. Then when writing The Battle, they decided the Stargazer would be a Constitution class, and as a result the Constellation model was removed from the ready room and replaced with a Constitution model, though as you say at the last minute they changed their minds and went with the Constellation instead, despite the fact the actors said Constitution while filming and necessitating their lines to be redubbed.
So we ended up with the rather ironic situation where The Battle is the only episode where Picard's model Stargazer is not seen despite the fact the actual Stargazer is in the episode itself.
First I’ve heard of that. Do you have a link or more info? Not doubting you; just curious.
Sorry. It's hard to find the links to the podcasts. It's on the Trek.fm network, if that helps.
If they still have Worf as a Klingon raised by Klingons, it's not so strange that he's a Starfleet officer at that point of time. I think the real Next Generation has a strange situation where 100 years later, there's only ever been one Klingon in Starfleet.
And the story doesn't have to change if Troi is full Betazoid. Star Trek never made a Betazoid before her, so they can write all Betazoids however they write her. And they can keep her half human if they want and make her more powerful. It's all up to the writers.
And the story doesn't have to change if Troi is full Betazoid. Star Trek never made a Betazoid before her, so they can write all Betazoids however they write her. And they can keep her half human if they want and make her more powerful. It's all up to the writers.
Ilia's oath of celibacy is effectively a burqa: blame the women for the men being unable to control themselves. Retrograde AF.
I think this would have been a lot more interesting than TNG as aired, if for no other reason then it can show us the backdrop of two former adversaries trying to overcome the tensions of the past and work together. Kirk may have buried his hatchet, and the Khitomer conspiracy was the most explosive of the opponents to the idea, but in peacetime things can get catty. And I'd doubt the conspiracy of TUC was the only one trying to destabilize relations.
The Ent-B crew could show us how the Federation moved forward from such a hostile conflict; something I think Star Trek could have merit in showing. It's not as hand-wavy as TNG made it out to be with the Klingo-Fed alliance suffering only minor defectors (as in Heart of Glory).
The Ent-B crew could show us how the Federation moved forward from such a hostile conflict; something I think Star Trek could have merit in showing. It's not as hand-wavy as TNG made it out to be with the Klingo-Fed alliance suffering only minor defectors (as in Heart of Glory).
Deltans consider other races to be sexually immature, so whether Ilia was female or male they would be held to the same standard. Since we don't know exactly why this is, it could be anything from their telepathic abilities to pheromones to their actual parts (or all three) that could prove too much for non-Deltans, so it always came across (to me at least) to be in the interests of safeguarding other races who couldn't handle sex with a Deltan.
A burqa analogy also proves my point on the story potential such cultural limitations placed on this version of Troi, is this something imposed on her out of fear or misunderstanding, is it something she accepts and approves of, or is it something she resents and wants to be free of? It could open up an underlying story for Troi and something for her character to develop around (like Worf and his family being dishonoured for the Khitomer massacre). At its core, Trek should face social issues and hold a mirror up to our society and make people think about preconceived notions.
I am by no means supporting the forcing of women to wear burqas or hijabs, this should be a choice for the individual as there will be some out there that choose to do so as a symbol of their faith. Freedom of choice should be a fundamental right for everyone.
Well Spock managed with McCoy, some fans seem to like the speciest banter
Yeah it was a stupid male fantasy thing, in universe would one really send just one Deltan on long five year missions and deny them physical intimacy with compatible beings? This only 'one X alien on a ship of humans' is a stupid setting for an intergalactic fleet. Its a T.V production setting of 'there can only be one black/hispanic/asian person in an all white setting', which is nothing to emulate.
Back to the thread, since Stewart looked a lot older than 40 something I would make his age at 100 years old, to show in the future being 100 is like being 50 for a human. A novelverse example is Commander Elias Vaughn who was over 100 years old and serving in Starfleet.
As originally depicted the "oath of celibacy" does potentially bear this interpretation, IMO Christopher's exploration of possible alternative explanations was plausible:
In April, 2165, the Essex made official first contact with the Deltans, and Paris led the away team that visited the Delta IV. During their stay, the team fell victim of the Deltans exceptionally powerful pheromones and empathic abilities during a sexual encounter. Armory officer Ahn Chung-hee became catatonic, while Paris suffered a form of depersonalization.
After almost two months of medical treatment and intense counseling at Starbase 8, she was able to convince Captain Shumar to return her to active duty and not to transfer over the Essex to Starbase 12 just to keep her far from the Deltans.
And enough to justify the extreme precaution of an "oath of celibacy" or an "inhibitor shot" (from Watching the Clock).
So because humans cannot manage Deltan pheromones the Deltans have to take a special pill or celibacy oath.....mmmm
Why not the humans take a pill to curb their normal sexual urges instead, so the rest of the Federation can get it on with the Deltans?
By the 24th century, deltans and humans should be sexually compatible or else there are a lot of frustrated mixed couples out there.
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Trek novels are not my go-to source for anything.
Ilia is just another manifestation of the idea that women are responsible for men's urges idea which leads to a lot of discrimination.
For the Deltan thing. They don't have to be on a starship filled with humans. They don't have to spend 5 years lonely. It's a choice. They want to be there, but with any interaction you have to take into account what can happen.
By the lit verse explanation, sexual exposure is not advised, just like any other spices that has a toxic or lethal effect on humans.
So if they want to serve, some precautions must be observed.
Now this can be a character story that can be explored, maybe find a new medicine, maybe her/him being assaulted by someone who couldn't control there urges.
I don't equate it to the burka, that's a male supremicy/control thing.
Would like a deltan on Strange new worlds and have the species explored.
@Maurice
It wasn't explained at all in any cannon .. Just oath if celibacy and men looking at her. No other info. But maybe as a tool to explore that story at a latter date.
By the lit verse explanation, sexual exposure is not advised, just like any other spices that has a toxic or lethal effect on humans.
So if they want to serve, some precautions must be observed.
Now this can be a character story that can be explored, maybe find a new medicine, maybe her/him being assaulted by someone who couldn't control there urges.
I don't equate it to the burka, that's a male supremicy/control thing.
Would like a deltan on Strange new worlds and have the species explored.
@Maurice
It wasn't explained at all in any cannon .. Just oath if celibacy and men looking at her. No other info. But maybe as a tool to explore that story at a latter date.
Okay, the quotes might not have been entirely on the use of the "inhibitor shot":
To limit exposure to Deltan pheromones, off-worlders are usually not permitted to visit Delta IV itself, instead being restricted to the planet's moons Seyann and Cinera (TOS movie: Star Trek: The Motion Picture; ST references: The Worlds of the Federation, Star Charts), or given an inhibitor shot. (DTI novel: Watching the Clock)
So, basically, my reading is that Deltans that put themselves in the minority position (such as Illia as the sole Deltan on NCC-1701) they are responsible for mitigating their medical issues, whereas if a non-Deltan is the minority among Deltans then they are responsible for mitigating the issues.
Given that Deltans are very much a small part of the galactic or even Federation population that seems like the equable solution?
That's your right.
I certainly wouldn't argue that they should take precedence, but IMO there's no reason not consider options offered by the novels, particularly on something that's unlikely to be covered on screen.
To be fair, that probably was the original reason. Doesn't mean that a better option can't be discussed.
In the Rec Room briefing scene there are at least three male Deltans seen in the crowd (that is assuming that all those with hairless heads are actually Deltan), and there is is one in the front row who is arm-in-arm with a human female, so it would seem that women as well can't resist the temptation of a Deltan male.
While the novels have done their bit to try to salvage the Deltan situation (such as it is) as far as onscreen material goes, the emphasis does seem to be on how amazingly sexy their women are. Even as of the last time they were referenced, in the Enterprise episode Bound from 2005, with a sort of disguised reference to masturbation in reaction to being around Deltan women. That being when Deltans visited his freighter when he was a teenager, the sight of their women was a serious distraction to Mayweather that in order to deal with it, he had to go to the gym and work out. Which helped develop his biceps.
He was a hormonal heterosexual teenage male, and given that 99% of people in the Trek-verse could be models then its no wonder he needed to find some way to deal with his basic urges--hitting the gym would make less of a mess. Had Mayweather been gay he likely would've has the same reaction to the male Deltans.
