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What if the Klingons wanted to join the Federation?

I don't think the Federation has an open-door policy where they'll just accept anyone who has starfaring capability. I think all Federation member worlds must meet other criteria for admission, and it probably forbids duels to the death and the occasional assassination of your boss as acceptable forms of promotion in a workplace.
Actually, I think the Federation doesn't give a damn what you do within your own borders...
Actually, I think the Federation does give a damn what you do within your borders. I think there are universal laws that apply to each and every Federation member world, and those worlds that can't or won't adhere to them don't become members or aren't even invited to join. I think for the most part, such laws pertain to a list of rights and freedoms guaranteed to each Federation citizen, no matter where they are within the alliance. Local laws still exist, but I think Federation law does take precedence in some fairly obvious areas.
...it's what you do to your neighbors that counts...
Ideally, I think Federation law covers the protection of all its citizens (and even non-citizens) on every member world.
...(ritual combat is still allowed on Vulcan, for instance, and arranged marriages are allowable).
I think such instances are more private affairs than government-sanctioned ones.
As long as you're not doing something really obscene like enslaving all your brown people or mutilating your daughters to keep them chaste, they'll pretty much leave you alone.
There are likely other criteria as well, but I think for the most part, it's stuff that the member worlds were already doing prior to joining the Federation but on a smaller scale.
The appeal of membership appears to be that you are now part of a community that can and will come to your aid--economically, politically, socially, militarily--if you ever really need it.
But I also think the appeal of membership is that you are a part of a community of sentients with similar beliefs and values. Such things don't have to be identical, but I think there are far more similarities than differences.
 
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where individual houses all controlled pieces of the military
In Reunification, Vulcan apparently had their own indigenous military force. Dominion war Betazed had something too. When there is references to "Klingon houses," I think of something like the family houses, or noble houses in Frank Herbert's Dune novel series, where a major house would control an entire planet, or multiple planets. If a Federation world could possess a military, why not a (planetary) Klingon house?

We counted black people as 3/5ths a vote here in the US at the time of our founding
For purposes of the apportionment the (white) members of the United States House of Representatives from slave states. Non-slave blacks in the north were counted (like whites) as whole persons. Once slavery ended all blacks and whites were counted as whole persons. This was done solely to deprive slave states of power in government.

The number of individuals in each Federation memberworld could very wildly.
Maybe. Or maybe the Federation requires that a potential Member State to have a population within a certain range.
Perhaps, or you could have a number of planets whose individual planetary population fall below the minimum requisite numbers , but whose populations wanted direct representation on the Federation council.

Some council seats might represent a pool of dozens of different species homeworlds, whose collective population meets or exceeds the required number. A composite body. In some cases, as their populations grew, the "states" would divide into smaller numbers of planets until ultimately each species possessed their own council seat.

This way too, you could increase the Federation's size and statue by incorporating bodies like Graves World into the Federation, even though it only has one resident.

How this would jib with Picard telling Lily of the over one hundred and fifty planets in the Federation, I don't know. Of course he did say "over."

adopt some variant of liberal democracy
Klingons in general hate democracy
The Klingon (or Klingons) representative on the council would practice democracy in that venue, that doesn't mean that the Klingon planets would abandon their noble born aristocracies.

..it's what you do to your neighbors that counts...
Ideally, I think Federation law covers the protection of all its citizens (and even non-citizens) on every member world.
Something like murder laws in America, the Federal gov. has no general law against it (only special cases), the States have murder covered. The Federation enforces it's members laws, and has few of it's own.

...(ritual combat is still allowed on Vulcan, for instance, and arranged marriages are allowable).
I think such instances are more private affairs than government-sanctioned ones.
In the case of Vulcan, there is likely a general law against murders. However there would be a specific exception for Pon Farr combat on the books, a religious consideration or something.

The appeal of membership appears to be that you are now part of a community that can and will come to your aid--economically, politically, socially, militarily--if you ever really need it.
You don't need to like (or approve of) the folks in your alliance, but it good to have those allies.
 
C.E. Evans said:
newtype_alpha said:
..it's what you do to your neighbors that counts...
Ideally, I think Federation law covers the protection of all its citizens (and even non-citizens) on every member world.
Something like murder laws in America, the Federal gov. has no general law against it (only special cases), the States have murder covered. The Federation enforces it's members laws, and has few of it's own.
I think to a large extent, most of the Federation's laws fall under the category of guaranteed rights and don't really infringe upon the sovereignty of its member worlds who probably already have similar laws on their own books.
...(ritual combat is still allowed on Vulcan, for instance, and arranged marriages are allowable).
I think such instances are more private affairs than government-sanctioned ones.
In the case of Vulcan, there is likely a general law against murders. However there would be a specific exception for Pon Farr combat on the books, a religious consideration or something.
Spock did state that he would to turn himself to over "the authorities" after his then believed murder of Kirk. Ritual combat may be one thing, but murder is still murder apparently. A person could possibly be cleared of those charges if it's considered self-defense and a case of plak tow-induced temporary insanity perhaps between Vulcans, though.
 
If you murder John Smith, that's a matter for a city/state court, but if Smith is a federal marshal, that's a matter for a federal court. And if both yourself and Smith (James Kirk) is a member of the armed services, then the respective branch of service prosecutes you. Spock was going to surrender to Starbase authorities, with a guilty plea and no attempt at defense, exactly why he killed Kirk might not come out in court.
 
It's in the Federation's advantage not having the Klingon Empire as a member. That way the Klingons can do their dirty work and be absolved of responsibility. ;)
 
If you murder John Smith, that's a matter for a city/state court, but if Smith is a federal marshal, that's a matter for a federal court. And if both yourself and Smith (James Kirk) is a member of the armed services, then the respective branch of service prosecutes you. Spock was going to surrender to Starbase authorities, with a guilty plea and no attempt at defense, exactly why he killed Kirk might not come out in court.
I think it actually would. The hearings and trials we've seen held by Starfleet in various Trek episodes do tend to be very thorough when it comes to determining the motivations for the crimes committed...
 
From ENT: Azati Prime, we know they do eventually join the UFP


...or was it Zero Hour, I forget. One of those.
 
The Klingons might not be a guaranteed permanent Federation member. They could be libel to join then change their minds later, what with them being Klingons, or the writers wanting to go back to having them as the Fed's nemesis.
 
From ENT: Azati Prime, we know they do eventually join the UFP


...or was it Zero Hour, I forget. One of those.

It was Azati Prime, when Mr. Daniels took Archer to the Enterprise J and explained the Federation to him, he mentioned Klingons were members.

Of course, most people in the past have jumped all over me in pointing out that was a timeline where the Expanse continued to grow over the centuries, and the Expanse was destroyed in the finale, that timeline was erased.

Personally, I don't think the existence of the Expanse was a factor in the Klingons joining the Federation, but I'm aparentally alone in that opinion.
 
You aren't alone.
It's possible the Klingons in that case might eventually join the Federation either way.

We don't know if the sphere builders would be the only viable threat to the galaxy in the 26th century, or just WHAT made the Klingons become Federation members in that timeline (the matter could be completely independent from the Sphere builders invasion and could happen again).
 
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