What if Neelix was less of a goofball?
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Janeway should have ordered him to do it. Vorik was very important.
The script was originally written that Tuvok went sex mad and had a go at... Maybe it wasn't B'Elanna in the original script? Vorrik and B'Elanna makes sense, but Tuvok would have gone to Janeway... But Tim spoke out (not a joke) and said that he didn't think that Tuvok would cheat on his wife and that he didn't want Tuvok to cheat on his wife, so things were moved around.
A man with principles... How rare.
Would the wife be more inclined to understand and forgive sodomy between friends than another woman staking a claim on her man?
A girlfriend once gave me a list of women I was especially not allowed to have affairs with.
Maybe T'Pel also gave Tuvok a short list of under no circumstances no-go areas and Janeway was at the top of that list and Vorrik was not on it?
In Elogium, if Neelix had decided not to have a baby, who would have cowboyed up and put their helmet in her ring?
(Sorry.)
But Elogium vs. Pon Farr.
That's the buddy system
"I'll deal to your gross sex stuff if you deal to my gross sex stuff, cool?"
A man with principles... How rare.
Would the wife be more inclined to understand and forgive sodomy between friends than another woman staking a claim on her man?
A girlfriend once gave me a list of women I was especially not allowed to have affairs with.
Maybe T'Pel also gave Tuvok a short list of under no circumstances no-go areas and Janeway was at the top of that list and Vorrik was not on it?
In Elogium, if Neelix had decided not to have a baby, who would have cowboyed up and put their helmet in her ring?
(Sorry.)
But Elogium vs. Pon Farr.
That's the buddy system
"I'll deal to your gross sex stuff if you deal to my gross sex stuff, cool?"
I obviously can't speak from a female perspective, but in my mind, while it would be bad either way, the jealousy aspect would be increased dramatically when the deed was consummated with someone Tuvok already had a close emotional bond with.
So yeah, I think Janeway would sit squarely at #1 on that hypothetical list.
Okay but T'Pel has also gone through Pon Farr during this "husband is lost" period and what did she do back home where there were thousands and thousands of perfectly good Vulcans to choose from?
That would have been Tuvok's out if he knew that T'Pel would have just rented a Vulcan to take care of the situation. There is probably some special Vulcan agency under the Vulcan Health Department trained to do just that.
That would have been Tuvok's out if he knew that T'Pel would have just rented a Vulcan to take care of the situation. There is probably some special Vulcan agency under the Vulcan Health Department trained to do just that.
No.
Let me explain.
In Legends of the Rangers, the Grey Council got really pissy because a Ranger disobeyed orders, someone asked what he did that was so wrong, and they replied that the hero of the adventure "didn't die".
The notion of the Rangers is the nuclear response. An invasion is supposed to stop and think, shit, if one guy with nothing did all this damage to us, culminating in a suicidal ramming speed strike, maybe we should reconsider this course of action, because no one told us that these guys were psychos?
That's the noble expectation of the Ranger.
To live for the One and die for the One.
They stand in the way of impossible odds until they are killed.
Relevance?
It is the noble expectation that T'Pel will die rather than sleep with anyone that is not her husband.
If she doesn't die, because she spreads it around, T'Pel will bring shame and scorn to her family.
Scarlet Letter shit y'know?
(Vulcans are fucked up.)
If this was just a biological instinct, they would both withhold from sex and then both die.
Which is sad.
However.
There is a telepathic component to this.
The couple are, according to Amok Time, psychically bonded as children in a betrothal ceremony.
Logically if the telepathic bond breaks, the connection between the two lovers (more sometimes, Tom joined the Pon far connection, and then Vorrik was cured because B'Elanna had a death thrill from handing Vorrik his ass.) snaps, after which the requirements of Pon far have satisfied requirements, and whoever is still alive stays alive.
You ever heard of the prisoner paradox?
They both hold out, one of them dies from no sex, and the other one is fine because the psychic connection is broken.
One of them has an extramarital affair, and they both live.
One of them kills someone and they both live.
Oh?
Do additional katras held inside Vulcans experience Pon Farr?
If for some reason, a Priest has four or five Katra's in his head and his own as well, does that mean that he can now have sex 6 times every 7 years?
Golly.
Katras are sex toys?
You can fuck like a different person in the wrong season.
Of course your wife would have to have a complimentary Katra belonging to the wife of your katra, unless we are talking about some sort of Vulcan key party Scenario?
Meanwhile, T'Pel not feeling Pon farr urges or feeling Pon far urges, would be an indicator of if her husband is alive or dead, if we assume that impulses from their Telepathic bonds can cross the galaxy instantaneously... Which is something the Traveller told Wesley years ago.
Let me explain.
In Legends of the Rangers, the Grey Council got really pissy because a Ranger disobeyed orders, someone asked what he did that was so wrong, and they replied that the hero of the adventure "didn't die".
The notion of the Rangers is the nuclear response. An invasion is supposed to stop and think, shit, if one guy with nothing did all this damage to us, culminating in a suicidal ramming speed strike, maybe we should reconsider this course of action, because no one told us that these guys were psychos?
That's the noble expectation of the Ranger.
To live for the One and die for the One.
They stand in the way of impossible odds until they are killed.
Relevance?
It is the noble expectation that T'Pel will die rather than sleep with anyone that is not her husband.
If she doesn't die, because she spreads it around, T'Pel will bring shame and scorn to her family.
Scarlet Letter shit y'know?
(Vulcans are fucked up.)
If this was just a biological instinct, they would both withhold from sex and then both die.
Which is sad.
However.
There is a telepathic component to this.
The couple are, according to Amok Time, psychically bonded as children in a betrothal ceremony.
Logically if the telepathic bond breaks, the connection between the two lovers (more sometimes, Tom joined the Pon far connection, and then Vorrik was cured because B'Elanna had a death thrill from handing Vorrik his ass.) snaps, after which the requirements of Pon far have satisfied requirements, and whoever is still alive stays alive.
You ever heard of the prisoner paradox?
They both hold out, one of them dies from no sex, and the other one is fine because the psychic connection is broken.
One of them has an extramarital affair, and they both live.
One of them kills someone and they both live.
Oh?
Do additional katras held inside Vulcans experience Pon Farr?
If for some reason, a Priest has four or five Katra's in his head and his own as well, does that mean that he can now have sex 6 times every 7 years?
Golly.
Katras are sex toys?
You can fuck like a different person in the wrong season.
Of course your wife would have to have a complimentary Katra belonging to the wife of your katra, unless we are talking about some sort of Vulcan key party Scenario?
Meanwhile, T'Pel not feeling Pon farr urges or feeling Pon far urges, would be an indicator of if her husband is alive or dead, if we assume that impulses from their Telepathic bonds can cross the galaxy instantaneously... Which is something the Traveller told Wesley years ago.
In my brief married days, the wife told me that if I ever had an affair, she might take me back. But only after I boiled it for five minutes.
Whatever the case, that's the name of my new alternative rock band.
Fascinating. To me, that also raises the question whether Pon farr cycles actually do sync between partners (was that ever addressed, canonically speaking?).
Yes and I suppose her green with blood handprint will be plastered onto some temple wall so all might remember her sacrifice.
So much logic, so little time.
The bonding/betrothal ceremony as children puts a couple in synch.
But that doesn't take into account for second or third marriages, or if one of the betrothees dies well before it's time to consummate the relationship.
Vorrik forcing B'Elanna to assume his cycle was an interesting clue. Had he been betrothed as a child that he now had two psychic links to two different women simultaneously? Spock and T'Pring were practically royalty, so maybe like with baptisms in our world, the common folk (Was Vorrik common?) don't get around to or don't bother with such fancy annoying busy work ceremonies?
Did Vorrik have a mate on Vulcan wondering where the hell he was?
But yes if a Vulcan Boy and Vulcan girl decide to employ the buddy system later in life after their bodies have already decided upon when their pon farr cycles are going to occur, it is possible that neither will relent in it's decision when to go into heat, while acquiescing to the other's needs as they occur, which would mean they had sex twice in 7 years from two fits of pon farr.
Which would be bad.
A novel I read claimed that refraining from sex created their logical control, superior intellect and telepathy... Which is why Romulans are neither logical nor telepathic.
But there's also a question of when Pon farr ends?
A. The death or impregnation of another being.
B. The orgasmic death thrill of believing you murdered someone or the literal orgasm from cumming.
"A" is about life and death.
"B" is just really self involved.
Consider if the Answer is "A". That would mean that Pon far only finishes from sex when you telepathically hear your child coming into existence.
Meanwhile if the answer is B... What are the odds of a simultaneous orgasm? One of those emotional bastards is going to stand up, put their clothes on and walk away before the other has completely escaped their death sentence.
Which rebrings up the masturbation option.
And if masturbation works, why the hell go through this almost dying shit, when you could just rub one out at the first sign of trouble.
Oh.
If it is all really about appearances.
Then most couples would probably masturbate immediately, and then go through the motions pretending to be good Vulcans so that they don't get a scarlet P sewn on their chest.
Is that regulation?
If Worf could wear his sash, then the shamed Vulcans who jerked off shouldn't be able to get out of wearing their badges of dishonour just became of the Starfleet uniform code.
Voyager aired too early. Kids were watching. It's a Tim problem.
Although, Tuvok spent months ignoring Lori petty who was trying to get in his trousers during the episode Gravity.
Lori Petty is incredibly hot. She was just on Orange, for one episode, which was a huge shame but who knows maybe we will get her in season 3.
You wish he were yours?
Melankon said:
Now calm down, it shouldn't be taken that literalily. I'm not that kind of guy!
I just saw the headline for the thread and got that lyric into my head. It actually took a while before I found out fom what song it came.
Maybe it's Kes who's singing that song? Or that Talaxian woman Neelix met at that asteroid? Or maybe Samantha Wildman?
I wish we had seen enough of Samantha to form an opinion on whether she would have hooked up with Neelix if they never made it home.
Neelix ditched them in season 7 for a girl before the timeline split in Endgame.
If he was in a friends with benefits relationship with Sam, and still left to play house with that girl... I don't think Sam could commit.
She was still married after all.
It's really a question of if Naomi knew?
Imagine an episode where Naomi finds out that her daddy is being cuckolded by the kitchen rat, so she goes full badseed on Neelix until he's kicked off the ship.
If he was in a friends with benefits relationship with Sam, and still left to play house with that girl... I don't think Sam could commit.
She was still married after all.
It's really a question of if Naomi knew?
Imagine an episode where Naomi finds out that her daddy is being cuckolded by the kitchen rat, so she goes full badseed on Neelix until he's kicked off the ship.
NOooooooooo I mean if Samantha would hook up with Neelix like 15 years down the track when a tachyon nebula alien has hurled them even deeper into the DQ and she realizes she is never getting home.
Hey why didn't we see a touching scene of Naomi talking to her dad when they had their skype calls?
Hey why didn't we see a touching scene of Naomi talking to her dad when they had their skype calls?
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