I think they did a good job designing Neelix's role on the ship. Just, they focused too much on his boisterous personality without giving him depth and 'street smarts' underneath the veneer, and the result was that he was usually annoying.
What if Neelix was less of a goofball?
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He was intentionally annoying by design.
Watching the crew politely cringe and suppress their revulsion, as Neelix approaches is supposed to be enjoyable for us.
If you found him annoying, Ethan did his job well.
Watching the crew politely cringe and suppress their revulsion, as Neelix approaches is supposed to be enjoyable for us.
If you found him annoying, Ethan did his job well.
The best service they could have done for Neelix and Kes was to not have the love plot between them at all.
Kes was already wanting to leave her people and venture past her world. She didn't need a romance sub-plot to make that interesting.
If Neelix's more annoying tendencies had been tempered with other scenes of him desperate to fit in, maybe because he is a pariah on Talax for running from the war. He needed some edges to him instead of being the simple buffoon.
Kes was already wanting to leave her people and venture past her world. She didn't need a romance sub-plot to make that interesting.
If Neelix's more annoying tendencies had been tempered with other scenes of him desperate to fit in, maybe because he is a pariah on Talax for running from the war. He needed some edges to him instead of being the simple buffoon.
Board games, model airplanes and quiet evenings reading by the fire?
Very true.
OT, but this comparison has made me realize just how annoying Mikey always was too. Like, in the second movie, where they're in the junkyard and he keeps doing that "wacky laidback" schtick, right up to the point where they get jumped by Foot Soldiers because he's bringing attention to himself.
I was always more of a Donatello guy myself.
(On a side note, my faith in modern society is at least partially encouraged that a quick Google search of the turtles' names still brings up the Renaissance artists as the top result. Even if every OTHER result is a link to something involving TMNT.
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I think the Neelix/Kes romance was a good idea but they should have cut it off earlier. If they played it right they could have made it an example of how things are different in the Delta quadrant, that human sexual morals don't apply, but instead they shied away from that and kept their relationship in the Disney zone.
If Neelix was written more like the neutral planet characters in DS9 it may have been better, like a 'black market trader' version of Garak. But instead of properly having him conflict with Federation morals they kind of made him into an image of how first world people fantasize about saving third world people.
If Neelix was written more like the neutral planet characters in DS9 it may have been better, like a 'black market trader' version of Garak. But instead of properly having him conflict with Federation morals they kind of made him into an image of how first world people fantasize about saving third world people.
YES YES IT IS TOTALLY DISNEY!!
Kes should have had a big singing number in the middle of Elogium.
The goo glows yellow
On my skin tonight
Not a lover to be seen
A bedroom of isolation
And it looks like I'm Pristine
The hormones are howling
A swirling storm inside
Couldn't keep this goo in
Heavens know I tried..
Don't let Neelix in
Don't let Neelix see
Be the good girl you always have to be
Sedate
Don't mate
Don't let him know..
Well now he knows!
Let it goo, let it goo!
Can't hold it in anymore
Let it goo, let it goo!
Neelix let's do it on the floor!
I don't care what they're going to say
Let the hormones rage on..
The goo never bothered me anyway
teacake you are mad. Don't ever change.
I always found Kes and the Ocampans fascinating. The insanity of the Ocampans only having one breeding cycle is interesting, although obviously unsustainable as a species. I vaguely think that the Caretaker imposed that on them as a species, possibly temporarily, to curtail their numbers. Like having your pets spayed and neutered.
I always found Kes and the Ocampans fascinating. The insanity of the Ocampans only having one breeding cycle is interesting, although obviously unsustainable as a species. I vaguely think that the Caretaker imposed that on them as a species, possibly temporarily, to curtail their numbers. Like having your pets spayed and neutered.
Née lid had a lot of potential for interaction with other crew members and aliens.
As others have posted, his ship could've been used more, especially if Janeway didn't want full Federation presence. He could've been shown to know more about various races they met, as was shown on all-too-rare occasions, like the Tak Tak.
He could've interacted more with the crew, showing how important his being morale officer actually was. He worked with B'Elanna--that should've been done more. He and Chakotay had a lot in common--both had their home planets destroyed, but the reacted in very different ways. That could've been explored. A lot of things could've been explored between characters, improving the show--but that wasn't the studio's objective.
As others have posted, his ship could've been used more, especially if Janeway didn't want full Federation presence. He could've been shown to know more about various races they met, as was shown on all-too-rare occasions, like the Tak Tak.
He could've interacted more with the crew, showing how important his being morale officer actually was. He worked with B'Elanna--that should've been done more. He and Chakotay had a lot in common--both had their home planets destroyed, but the reacted in very different ways. That could've been explored. A lot of things could've been explored between characters, improving the show--but that wasn't the studio's objective.
This just made my day!! loooool
Thank you people for saying nice things about my Frozen parody with Kes as a Disney princess
I have it on reliable authority that Mirror Universe Neelix's collection of leola roots have never been used for cooking.
He could have at least gone rapscallion.
I really thought they mishandled the character from the beginning. They should've portrayed him as a rogueish salvager who was on Voyager solely because they seemed like a better alternative than digging through wrecks for the rest of his life. Have him not actually know the region of space they're in for the first season or so all that well, so he'll lie to Janeway or exaggerate, and then have consequences for that down the line. Flesh him out, and don't make him insufferable. Of course, they did the exact opposite, and made him one of the weaklinks in Voyager.
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