Then the ship went to Ceti Alpha V.
Them Marla McGivers transferred off the ship at Ceti Alpha V.
What if Khan was picked up by someone else?
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Then the ship went to Ceti Alpha V.
Them Marla McGivers transferred off the ship at Ceti Alpha V.
Nope....internet search for 'Thorvald Ericssen' didn't return any results, Ragnar Thorwald or anything else, either.
Just memory of reading an early script along the way....glad my memory wasn't too far off.
but that was after marla's girlfriends threw her a bridal/going away party (in the brig).
Marla's not the villain, and even the villain is to be believed if he writers don't show us that the villain is lying or wrong.Once more, we choose to trust the word of the villain of the piece. What's with that?
Timo Saloniemi
If Khan not looking like a traditional Sikh was important, the writers would have told us that Khan not looking like a traditional Sikh was important.
Naah. Writers are pretty much like mother nature - they settle for the barely adequate, or the inadequate if they can get away with it. They aren't there to serve us, just to get paid for putting words on paper.
It's not uncommon for them to write something that has the completely opposite effect to the intent. Say, the Yangs goose-stepping in triumphant progression after completing their genocidal quest, only with a funny-looking swastika without the cross and with some stars and stripes... The writer would have us sympathize with the lot.
Spock: "Gentlemen!"
That happens basically every week. What the crew would notice is that the problem came, and then went away - but not how it went away. "The Captain dealt with it" is all the witnesses could say. So the ship parked next to some planet for a while. No idea what planet, and why. But the nameless intruders were gone afterwards. And usually villains end up dead.
Heck, we've never even seen a cabin with a view, except for the other Captain. Rumors must be a favorite pastime for those serving aboard a starship...
Timo Saloniemi
It's not uncommon for them to write something that has the completely opposite effect to the intent. Say, the Yangs goose-stepping in triumphant progression after completing their genocidal quest, only with a funny-looking swastika without the cross and with some stars and stripes... The writer would have us sympathize with the lot.
Spock: "Gentlemen!"
That happens basically every week. What the crew would notice is that the problem came, and then went away - but not how it went away. "The Captain dealt with it" is all the witnesses could say. So the ship parked next to some planet for a while. No idea what planet, and why. But the nameless intruders were gone afterwards. And usually villains end up dead.
Heck, we've never even seen a cabin with a view, except for the other Captain. Rumors must be a favorite pastime for those serving aboard a starship...
Timo Saloniemi
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Occum would have a field day with that argument!
Surely for a reaction drive (I presume you are not suggesting reactionless interstellar drives in the 1990's?) the duration of the burn is immaterial to the final speed, given that the total fuel was exhausted 200 years ago.
100 days at 1G thrust achieves the same final speed as 1 day at 100G thrust.
Either way reaction mass is burned, increases velocity and finally runs out. Abd the ship cruises in a straight line at that speed until it encounters an obstacle.
And the BB must still only have a got a light year or two beyond Sol in 200 years.
I imagine after they made planetfall, Marla filled the days and nights with many stories of Starfleet and the Federation. She reminds me of Scheherazade, with a thousand and one tales to fill Khan's head lest he grow displeased with her.
One would probably be more likely than a rocket, yes - these folks know how to directly manipulate gravity, after all.
Neither the physical model nor the CGI has rocket nozzles in evidence, but that of course is neither here nor there: even if the ship had classic bell nozzles, she might also have shutters for those. And the ships of Starfleet sometimes hide their impulse engines very well indeed.
But would an impulse drive (no matter how primitive) be likely here? We lack references to when that tech was introduced, beyond it not having changed much since the 2160s as in "Relics". The one known quality of impulse drive is that it can burn fuel quickly, though, leaving the heroes little leeway in maneuvering in "Doomsday Machine". But that applies to certain combat maneuvers centuries after the DY-100 fact.
Says who? I mean, the engines were either off or then putting out insignificantly small amounts of whatever (be it thrust or waste heat), but nothing indicates when this happened.
And the former is much preferable to the latter if we want interplanetary trips to last "years" as quoted, yet with interstellar ultimate results. Although thrust way below 1 gee would further be preferable for the scenario at hand. Still better than solar sails and most "ion engine" concepts of today, and possibly also similarly more plausible than the use of classic rocketry.
Nothing there to give us such figures. Or any figures at all.
I figure it would be pretty difficult to displease a man who's happy with betrayal that cost him a future as a prince of billions!
Timo Saloniemi
There were warps and anomalies all over the place. I just figured the Botany Bay fell into one of those. Like the SS Columbia, Valiant, Charybdis, Mariposa, VGER, etc... This even explains Pioneer 10 being so far from Earth when the Klingons destroyed it.
What is our dramatic incentive for insisting that early Earth spacecraft were slow, though? We know Earth spacecraft will become fantastically fast in just a couple of centuries; why not give them a head start at that, in the 1990s or so already?
I mean, the Pioneer probe would absolutely need the boost to become interstellar, even in the Trek universe - we see she doesn't flaunt exotic new engines or anything, even though another probe indirectly attributed to 2002 will/did, and indeed went interstellar.
But Spock's objections to DY-100 going interstellar concern the practicability rather than the possibility. That is, the ship has "odds" of making it to another star, supposedly odds of everything going fine vs. something adverse happening - not a design limitation that would preclude interstellar travel. And a decade later NOMAD does go interstellar, which would be natural enough if the only thing stopping the spacecraft were risk.
In "Space Seed", the presence of the Botany Bay at this particular location is not considered an impossibility, even though the vessel herself is dubbed a mystery. Did Khan fall in a gravity ellipse or get abducted by pranksters from Zeta Ridiculi? Or did he just sail true, only a bit past his intended mark? The story places no requirements on that, nor does the greater Trek context.
Timo Saloniemi
I mean, the Pioneer probe would absolutely need the boost to become interstellar, even in the Trek universe - we see she doesn't flaunt exotic new engines or anything, even though another probe indirectly attributed to 2002 will/did, and indeed went interstellar.
But Spock's objections to DY-100 going interstellar concern the practicability rather than the possibility. That is, the ship has "odds" of making it to another star, supposedly odds of everything going fine vs. something adverse happening - not a design limitation that would preclude interstellar travel. And a decade later NOMAD does go interstellar, which would be natural enough if the only thing stopping the spacecraft were risk.
In "Space Seed", the presence of the Botany Bay at this particular location is not considered an impossibility, even though the vessel herself is dubbed a mystery. Did Khan fall in a gravity ellipse or get abducted by pranksters from Zeta Ridiculi? Or did he just sail true, only a bit past his intended mark? The story places no requirements on that, nor does the greater Trek context.
Timo Saloniemi
When we compare Space Seed with Metamorphosis and movie First Contact we learn humans had no FTL drive when Botany Bay was launched.
Oh, that much is granted. But as Spock outlines, it's plausible for STL ships to go interstellar, with DY-100 just being a particularly poor candidate for that.
In contrast, NOMAD appears to have been an excellent candidate, supposedly predating warp by a margin (although there are uncertainties there). So mankind is on the threshold of practical interstellar travel at the end of the 20th century already - which is why I feel we don't need wormholes or anything else exceptional in order to deliver a DY-100 into a somewhat distant interstellar location in objective 300 years (which would then by default be two subjective centuries).
Timo Saloniemi
In contrast, NOMAD appears to have been an excellent candidate, supposedly predating warp by a margin (although there are uncertainties there). So mankind is on the threshold of practical interstellar travel at the end of the 20th century already - which is why I feel we don't need wormholes or anything else exceptional in order to deliver a DY-100 into a somewhat distant interstellar location in objective 300 years (which would then by default be two subjective centuries).
Timo Saloniemi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botany_Bay
"Later the British planned Botany Bay as the site for a penal colony. Out of these plans came the first European habitation of Australia at Sydney Cove. Although the penal settlement was almost immediately shifted to Sydney Cove, for some time in Britain transportation to "Botany Bay" was a metonym for transportation to any of the Australian penal settlements."
I think the reason it was named the Botany Bay is because although the original location in Australia was intended as a penal colony, eventually those banished to Australia made a life for themselves; maybe it was hoped the supermen would do the same wherever they ended up. Kirk continues that aim by leaving them somewhere that they might have been able to develop and therefore flourish, had things been different that TWOK revealed.
"Later the British planned Botany Bay as the site for a penal colony. Out of these plans came the first European habitation of Australia at Sydney Cove. Although the penal settlement was almost immediately shifted to Sydney Cove, for some time in Britain transportation to "Botany Bay" was a metonym for transportation to any of the Australian penal settlements."
I think the reason it was named the Botany Bay is because although the original location in Australia was intended as a penal colony, eventually those banished to Australia made a life for themselves; maybe it was hoped the supermen would do the same wherever they ended up. Kirk continues that aim by leaving them somewhere that they might have been able to develop and therefore flourish, had things been different that TWOK revealed.
In that event, Khan probably would have gone insane from frustration.
Because the script called for it.
Hollywood had a long tradition of casting actors/actresses in roles that were different than their cultural background. This was really no different. Usually it was caucasians playing a character from another ethnic group. Westerns were often quite guilty of this. And how about John Wayne playing Genghis Khan in the Conqueror?
Actually, look at the entire cast of that movie. There are tons of other examples. What they could (and maybe should) have done is change Khan's character to hispanic.
He'll be here all week, folks. Try the meatloaf; it's excellent. And don't forget to tip your server."What if Khan was picked up by someone else?"
Then his son wouldn't look like Judson Scott?
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Kor
Inspired by the Ferengi's cutthroat business tactics after they picked him up and bartered all his Botany Bay 500 belt buckles in exchange for food and survival rations, Khan sought revenge in the brutal and never ending struggle of pre-owned starship sales.
Today his "Wrathful Khan's" franchise of used starship depots has expanded to all four quadrants. Joichim helped out in the initial days but got in an argument with Khan over going to business school and later went on to form a band.
Today his "Wrathful Khan's" franchise of used starship depots has expanded to all four quadrants. Joichim helped out in the initial days but got in an argument with Khan over going to business school and later went on to form a band.
The Vidiians would have thought they'd died and gone to Heaven! They would have made so many withdrawals the Botany Bay would issue transaction alerts!
