What if Khan was picked up by someone else?

[Tenacity]

Instead of Kirk and the Enterprise, what if it had been a Vulcan starship, Romulan, Klingion, or another species?

With a Vulcan ship Khan's "I have five times your strength" would no longer apply, and suducing a Vulcan historian probably wouldn't have worked. Would Khan have been able to take control of a Klingon ship with seventy odd people. Would Khan have been mentally able of handling waking up on a ship completely crewed by aliens.

What if the Pakled had rescued him?

 

[Terok Nor]

Robocop rescued him in Star Trek Into Darkness. Apparently the experience was so traumatic he turned into a Caucasian Englishman with a very posh accent.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Robocop rescued him in Star Trek Into Darkness. Apparently the experience was so traumatic he turned into a Caucasian Englishman with a very posh accent.

That was all part of his cover as "John Harrison". Surgically altered appearance and whatnot.

 

[Terok Nor]

That was all part of his cover as "John Harrison". Surgically altered appearance and whatnot.

Is that in the movie? I've only seen it once but I don't recall there being an explanation.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Is that in the movie? I've only seen it once but I don't recall there being an explanation.

It's not technically in the movie, as such. But it's the most obvious and likely explanation.

Not just for the change in actors, of course (although I might point out that Ricardo Montalban's dark skin color in "Space Seed" was fake - IRL, he's just as white as Cumby). Also because everybody knows what Khan looks like, and so "John Harrison" could obviously never walk around in public if he looked just like Khan. So they HAD to change his appearance.

 

[C57D]

TOS Klingons (especially JMF's Klingons) encountering this space seed would probably quickly recognise and respect Khan and co as warriors - and so rivals to be equally quickly swept out of the way. 400 Klingons vs 70 of Khan's crew would be no contest.

 

[C57D]

Or, at the other end of the spectrum. The SS Antares would be tricked and overwhelmed in a tenth of the time it took to take over the Enterprise.

 

[Nyotarules]

Robocop rescued him in Star Trek Into Darkness. Apparently the experience was so traumatic he turned into a Caucasian Englishman with a very posh accent.

As opposed to a Caucasian Mexican with an American Hispanic accent.

The augments were stronger than Klingons and Vulcans (who are said to be 3 times as strong as human so five times beats that)
The Vulcans would give them the Vulcan hello
The Klingons would give them the Klingon goodbye

 

[Shawnster]

Khan was intelligent enough that, if picked up by Vulcans, he'd have waited until returned to human territory before launching an attack.

My two year old grand nephew is smart enough to take over a Pakled ship. Khan would have wiped the floor with them and then had 2 ships. This probably would have been the best situation for Khan. He probably could have worked this encounter in such a way that he might have conquered the entire Pakled civilization.

 

[TrickyDickie]

If Severin and company had stolen a larger ship, they could have picked him up and mellowed him right out....

 

[Phaser Two]

As opposed to a Caucasian Mexican with an American Hispanic accent.

The augments were stronger than Klingons and Vulcans (who are said to be 3 times as strong as human so five times beats that)

Where's this figure come from?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

TOS Klingons (especially JMF's Klingons) encountering this space seed would probably quickly recognise and respect Khan and co as warriors - and so rivals to be equally quickly swept out of the way. 400 Klingons vs 70 of Khan's crew would be no contest.

I think Khan could quickly rally a Klingon crew to his cause.

Without violence - just sheer force of will.

 

[E-DUB]

Supposedly there was to be a story, for the Myriad Worlds series, where Khan and crew w4ere picked up by the Enterprise-D. I'd have paid good money to read that.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

The Ferengi would have stripped the Botany Bay for parts and jettisoned the supermen into the cold of space. It is very cold in space...

 

[Brennyren]

(although I might point out that Ricardo Montalban's dark skin color in "Space Seed" was fake - IRL, he's just as white as Cumby).

As opposed to a Caucasian Mexican with an American Hispanic accent.

Even though I know Ricardo Montalbán was fairly light-skinned, it really bugs me to see him described as "white" or "Caucasian." Because that's not what he was considered through most, if not all, of his working life. He was considered a Latino, a member of a minority, and he faced discrimination because of it. In fact, along with Henry Darrow (later Voyager's Kolopak) and others, he co-founded the Screen Actors' Guild Ethnic Minority Committee. He was also a co-founder of the Nosotros ("We") Foundation, which advocates for Latinos in TV and movies.

Montalbán never identified as white, and in fact would not have been allowed to do so because of his ethnicity. So while one can quite properly say that he was no more of an Indian than is Benedict Cumberbatch, to say he was as white as is Cumberbatch is not so true. Cumberbatch is white. Montalbán was Latino -- and to him, and in his life, that difference made a vast difference.

 

[C57D]

I think Khan could quickly rally a Klingon crew to his cause.

Without violence - just sheer force of will.

I have to disagree.
TOS Klingons live for power, expansion and conquest. They would assess and understand Khan far sooner than Starfleet would, and recognise in him similar drives and goals.
But what conquerer wants to subjugate themselves to the will of another? Especially of another race, culture and species? And one lacking a practical, strategic and tactical understanding of the technological tools of power in the 23rd century (2D maneuvers in the Mutara Nebula, anyone?).
They would see him as an outdated, but still potent rival and dispatch him and his crew as fast as possible.

 

[johnnybear]

Thing that always got me was how Khan knew so much about the Klingons in Wrath! If he'd met them at any time why didn't he ask them to transport him off that hell hole? And if he'd been listening to their top ten hits as they passed by why not ask them top pick his people up? It's just that he seemed to know so much about their sayings and such for a marooned superman!
JB

 

[C57D]

Thing that always got me was how Khan knew so much about the Klingons in Wrath! If he'd met them at any time why didn't he ask them to transport him off that hell hole? And if he'd been listening to their top ten hits as they passed by why not ask them top pick his people up? It's just that he seemed to know so much about their sayings and such for a marooned superman!
JB

Thats a damn fine point johnnybear!

 

[F. King Daniel]

One of the earliest Myriad Universes stories (then known as Split Infinites was supposed to be "what if the Next Gen crew found Khan?" but for some reason it never materialised. I'd have liked to see it.

As others have said, Star Trek Into Darkness has Admiral Marcus finding Khan, reviving him, blackmailing him into designing ships and weapons for a war with the Klingons and all hell breaking loose as a result.

That was all part of his cover as "John Harrison". Surgically altered appearance and whatnot.

Nah, Khan was just British in the JJ movie version of Trek. It's a lot less silly that way.

 

[Tomalak]

Where's this figure come from?

I think the Vulcan strength line comes from DS9's 'Take me out to the Holosuite" where Sisko challenges a Vulcan crew to a baseball match. Kasidy says he's an idiot because Vulcan are stronger and faster than any of them, except for Worf and Bashir. Bashir is an Augment and was also a racquetball champion.