What if JJ. Abrams had done Trek X?

[Emperor-Tiberius]

You know, what if Berman and co. decided to wait out even more for the tenth Trek film to come out, and after ENT's demise, Paramount mounted up and recruited Abrams and co. to reinvigorate Trek, but without rebooting it?

You think a non-Berman TNG film would have a chance, then? Would it be able to do something interesting about it?

 

[C.E. Evans]

I think a reboot/reimagining of TOS after 2006 was unavoidable. In addition to the perception that Trek needed to go back to basics (TOS), there was also stuff going on behind the scenes at Paramount with a new regime coming in with different ideas about the direction of Star Trek movies.

 

[22 Stars]

I also think you have to look at the age of the actors. People, esp. young people want to see other young people in action/adventure films. They want to see sexy movie stars, not older TV personalities.

Like it or not, trying to keep the same actors around like TOS did, wasn't the best idea. The need for nostalgia by the fan base and the general audience wasn't there for Picard and crew.

 

[CaptainMatt]

Which is a shame as they had real staying power on TV. But then some maintain they did not translate well to the big screen. A TNG movie by someone other than Berman and company would have been weird as Berman had been in charge of the series for years and seemingly was the go-to man for ideas related to Trek. Abrams could not have done any better if he had done a TNG film as opposed to a TOS based one.

 

[JarodRussell]

You know, what if Berman and co. decided to wait out even more for the tenth Trek film to come out, and after ENT's demise, Paramount mounted up and recruited Abrams and co. to reinvigorate Trek, but without rebooting it?

You think a non-Berman TNG film would have a chance, then? Would it be able to do something interesting about it?

He actually did. Trek 2009 always seemed like a remake of Nemesis to me.

 

[sonak]

I wouldn't say it was a remake, but there are a lot more similarities than many would like to admit.

 

[Dukhat]

He actually did. Trek 2009 always seemed like a remake of Nemesis to me.

Yes, there are indeed many similarities between Nemesis and Star Trek '09. There's also many similarities between Nemesis and TWOK. And yet Nemesis was a total flop, while TWOK and Star Trek were huge hits. Go figure, huh?

 

[CaptainMatt]

I sincerely doubt JJ could have done any better if he had been working with the Nemesis script. It just had too many problems.

 

[The Castellan]

I also think you have to look at the age of the actors. People, esp. young people want to see other young people in action/adventure films. They want to see sexy movie stars, not older TV personalities.

Speak for yourself.

I could care less what the actors look like, so long as they can act well. Modern Hollywood should not have an apparent age limit as they do with models.

I'm 32, and in Doctor Who, it's the guys like Tom Baker, John Pertwee and William Hartnell that made, I think the best stories, and I think Matt Smith is becoming more and more annoying with each season.

Hell, I'd hate to see Hollywood remake The Maltese Falcon or some other classic.....we'd have impossibly young characters, and I shudder to think how they are going to make it fast paced and action packed.

~Walks off shuddering~

 

[sonak]

I also think you have to look at the age of the actors. People, esp. young people want to see other young people in action/adventure films. They want to see sexy movie stars, not older TV personalities.

Speak for yourself.

I could care less what the actors look like, so long as they can act well. Modern Hollywood should not have an apparent age limit as they do with models.

I'm 32, and in Doctor Who, it's the guys like Tom Baker, John Pertwee and William Hartnell that made, I think the best stories, and I think Matt Smith is becoming more and more annoying with each season.

Hell, I'd hate to see Hollywood remake The Maltese Falcon or some other classic.....we'd have impossibly young characters, and I shudder to think how they are going to make it fast paced and action packed.

~Walks off shuddering~

amen. Did you hear that they actually said that there would likely not be any more Doctors in that series above forty-five? The Master had to regenerate from professor Yana to a younger, good-looking guy right away. They keep going younger and younger with the Doctor, and it's getting silly.

And the Jane Marple movies have to have a young, good-looking Marple.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Nemesis would've been better if Frakes had directed it. He would've kept the camaraderie aspect of the film intact. Instead of Stuart Baird who focused solely on Picard. To be fair the deleted scenes in Nemesis with exchanges between the crew, do help bring that sparkle of TNG magic and family to the movie, but these scenes were cut from the final product.

As for XI being like X, yeah i can see that. XI copied and pasted alot of ideas and themes from past Trek movies and Star Wars movies and put them behind a $150 million budget. To general audiences, the movie was like 'ZOMG AMAZEBALLS'. We the fans know the truth.

Lastly i dont care what Berman says, Mega-blockbusters like Harry Potter, James Bond and Lord of the Rings did play a factor in Nemesis' lack of success. Also I remember reading Nemesis was only in theatres for 3 weeks. $67 million is not 3 weeks is not bad, and under the right conditions Nemesis could've made more.

 

[The Castellan]

I also think you have to look at the age of the actors. People, esp. young people want to see other young people in action/adventure films. They want to see sexy movie stars, not older TV personalities.

Speak for yourself.

I could care less what the actors look like, so long as they can act well. Modern Hollywood should not have an apparent age limit as they do with models.

I'm 32, and in Doctor Who, it's the guys like Tom Baker, John Pertwee and William Hartnell that made, I think the best stories, and I think Matt Smith is becoming more and more annoying with each season.

Hell, I'd hate to see Hollywood remake The Maltese Falcon or some other classic.....we'd have impossibly young characters, and I shudder to think how they are going to make it fast paced and action packed.

~Walks off shuddering~

amen. Did you hear that they actually said that there would likely not be any more Doctors in that series above forty-five? The Master had to regenerate from professor Yana to a younger, good-looking guy right away. They keep going younger and younger with the Doctor, and it's getting silly.

And the Jane Marple movies have to have a young, good-looking Marple.

The Doctor's going to regenerate into Justin Beeber at this rate.

Imagine if Hollywood wanted to remake, there seems to be some unwritten law prohibiting the making of new, original stuff, the following:

The original Star Wars films (there's a lot of older folks in those)

Dragnet

The Golden Girls (I could see the wheels turning in the minds of the Hollywood producers, for that one)

All in the Family

The Odd Couple

All the James Bond films up to the Brosnen years.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

JJ Abrams wouldn't have done TNG. He had the commercial instincts to know that the TOS gang are the most durable and iconic characters, and that the TNG cast was just dead weight for the franchise and getting deader all the time. To maximize box office success, a TOS "reboot" was the way to go.

So Trek X would have been the same, just a few years earlier. I'm happy with the timing as it actually happened, since Zachary Quinto might not have been well known enough to land an audition for Spock. His casting is the single most important successful element of Trek XI.

 

[sonak]

the single most important element, really? If you say so. I don't think Quinto made the movie what it was.

 

[JarodRussell]

JJ Abrams wouldn't have done TNG. He had the commercial instincts to know that the TOS gang are the most durable and iconic characters, and that the TNG cast was just dead weight for the franchise and getting deader all the time. To maximize box office success, a TOS "reboot" was the way to go.

So Trek X would have been the same, just a few years earlier. I'm happy with the timing as it actually happened, since Zachary Quinto might not have been well known enough to land an audition for Spock. His casting is the single most important successful element of Trek XI.

I thought TOS was demanded by Paramount, not by Abrams.

 

[Anji]

You're right Paramount did want to reboot TOS. And sorry guys, JJs not that hot.

Nothing could've saved Nemesis except tossing it into the old circular file. And why would Berman even try to give us a decent movie? Because his attitude has been that as long as it has the name Star Trek on it the fans will accept it no matter what. Well, we showed him didn't we?

And by the way, long live Jon Pertwee!

 

[CaptainMatt]

Apparently, Berman began to believe his own hype, thinking he was It and everything he made with the Trek banner was pure gold.



I like Jon Pertwee as well! Definitely one of the better actors to play Dr. Who!

 

[Therin of Andor]

And why would Berman even try to give us a decent movie? Because his attitude has been that as long as it has the name Star Trek on it the fans will accept it no matter what. Well, we showed him didn't we?

Your 18-year hate campaign to bring him to his knees is noted.

Apparently, Berman began to believe his own hype, thinking he was It and everything he made with the Trek banner was pure gold.

Not even Rick Berman says that everything was "pure gold". But yes, he was indeed "It". And he did "it" for as long as he could, just like he was paid to do.

 

[CaptainMatt]

He did it maybe for too long and should have let someone newer and fresh take over? Like Kirk said, young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant. But then again, isn't that the rationale for letting John Logan and Stuart Baird anywhere near Trek?

 

[Therin of Andor]

He did it maybe for too long and should have let someone newer and fresh take over?

Precisely why Brannon Braga came onto the team. IIRC, he started at TNG as an intern.