What Has Discovery Added To Star Trek Lore?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Kane_Steel, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    After pulling the plug on his dad it doesn't seem so bad.

    Keep in mind this is the same McCoy who had no problem shouting out his futuristic medical knowledge in a 20th century hospital, likely violating all sorts of Federation temporal laws.

    Even the woman with a new kidney might have her cure reverse engineered, causing all sorts of havoc to the timeline. Countries fighting over this would be enough to spark a Eugenics wars or World War 3. Oh wait... :O (And we thought McCoy saving Edith Keeler was bad).
     
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  2. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I'm cool with Spock and Amanda being dyslexic, but then I don't pretend they're the same versions of the characters from TOS.:shrug:
     
  3. Yistaan

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    Nero was so mad because Spock didn't reveal this info. Considering that the difference between coordinates 271, 241 and 241, 271 is enough to miss the Hobus supernova and Romulus (sending Spock speeding the Jellyfish too late once he realized he got the coordinates wrong), Nero had every right to blame Spock for not letting a non-disabled person fly to save Romulus.

    I have no idea if I meant what I just wrote seriously or not. The fact I can't tell is unsettling. :( But it does go to show that I don't think the Discovery writers really thought through the ramifications of just what they added to Spock's background.
     
  4. fireproof78

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    Given how private Spock would be I would be highly surprised if he would request such an intervention.
     
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  5. Yistaan

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    He wouldn't. McCoy read through Spock's files without permission and gave the medicine to Spock without asking.

    Good old fashioned country doctor and all, minus all the ethical restrictions a city doctor would be hung up on. ;)

    McCoy's lucky Spock didn't report him.
     
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  6. MakeshiftPython

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    Some fans think Spock was an open book apparently. The guy is notorious for witholding private info unless it became relevant. He didn’t even bother to explain the Vulcan ambassador was his father until he was standing right there by the hangar deck.
     
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  7. Yistaan

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    Like I said, this just gives Nero fuel to blame Spock for his whole planet's destruction. How does Nero know Spock's split second double read of the Hobus coordinates didn't make him too late to save Nero's family?

    Although non-canon, Nero hacked into the Federation's files aboard the Enterprise E in the comic Star Trek Countdown and may well have realized Spock was hiding his disability.

    Piloting of the Jellyfish should have gone to Captain Riker, who could do the Jovian Run in his sleep.

    In just 1 Discovery episode, Nero's grievances against Spock suddenly look a lot more legitimate.
     
  8. Jackson_Roykirk

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    And he was pretty complicit in helping Scotty give up the formula for transparent aluminum.
     
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  9. bookworm8571

    bookworm8571 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I suspect Spock was conceived through natural sex between Sarek and Amanda and it took some supportive measures for her to bring the pregnancy to term. Scientists in Enterprise may not have been aware it was possible, because it was probably quite rare and unusual without scientific intervention. In Star Trek The Next Generation, human Tasha Yar had Sela with a Romulan, apparently a natural conception, and in Voyager, Tom Paris and half Klingon B’Elanna naturally conceived their daughter. Cross species mating over generations produced a hybrid in Enterprise who had mixed ancestry from multiple alien species.

    It’s also highly unlikely that Spock is the first such living hybrid. Going by the books, Trip and T’Pol apparently had two children together. Other Vulcan-human couples had probably existed before and after them. Humans will probably mate with anything humanoid looking in the Star Trek universe and they had known Vulcans for 100 years before Enterprise started and 200 years as of Discovery.

    The learning disability may have some advantages or humans may frown on tampering with their genes after the Eugenics Wars.
     
  10. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    As someone with a genetic disability myself (causing a mild hearing loss), I just find this absurd. I guess I'd probably be taking this lawsuit up to the Federation Supreme Court.

    If the Federation Supreme Court strikes me down I'm moving to Orion!

    For what it's worth, Enterprise discusses Rigellian gene therapy (although this predates the founding of the Federation).
     
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    if they have a valid reason to believe that genetic tampering could spell doom to their own race by creating an improved and hostile successor race, I suspect they'd put in whatever constitutional frameworks needed to prevent another khanate. and apparently that line of thinking held fast for several centuries.

    Clearly this did not prevent cybernetic upgrades.
     
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  12. Yistaan

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    Thinking curing my hearing would turn me into Khan is absurd (and cybernetic upgrades aka hearing aids are not cool, I know from experience). Like I said in my edit, I guess I'll be moving to the Orion star group. I heard life is more fun there anyway.
     
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    Given how we saw Spock later in his adult life, I think he did rather well.
     
  14. Yistaan

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    Nero disagrees, and he has his whole planet and dead family as evidence. If Spock hadn't had to read those coordinates twice, Romulus might have survived.

    The fact Spock didn't reveal this disability and let a non-disabled pilot fly the Jellyfish is unconscionable. Maybe these are the consequences about Romulus' destruction we've heard Picard will be getting in his new show (Picard obviously let his pal fly the Jellyfish instead of someone without disabilities).
     
  15. XCV330

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    It's a slippery slope. Clearly the UFP is not into post-humanism right now. If the Eugenics Wars and whatever effect they had on ww3 put a fear so deep in the human race's bones that they wont even allow minor genetic hacking, it must be assumed there is an in-story reason waiting to be had.

    Perhaps ethically there are limits to self improvement and at some point humanity is ok with those limitations and baldness and works on improving what they are supplied with. Or maybe they leave the runts on a hillside for the wolves. Who knows.

    That's growing a giant redwood from a packet of tomato seeds. Even as fan speculation goes.
     
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    The Matrix Sentinels. :)
     
  17. Yistaan

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    For my own sake (and those of any children who I really hope don't inherit the genetic defect), I hope our real world does not end up like the Federation regarding genetic cures.

    As far as blaming Spock's disability for Romulus' destruction--Well I'm acting like Nero would act. Considering he felt destroying alternate reality Vulcan and Earth (who had nothing to do with Romulus' destruction) was justice, I think Nero blaming Spock for hiding his disability would be one of his more reasonable actions (relatively speaking).
     
  18. Tuskin38

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    You're overreacting by a large magnitude.
     
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  19. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Subsequent damage to my already genetically weakened hearing means I hear the equivalent of an alarm clock every second of every day of my life, permanently, for which there is no known cure. I hear it as I type this. I even hear it in my dreams when I'm asleep.

    I was in tears pleading to doctors to do anything, and they all said there is nothing they could do.

    William Shatner also suffers from the condition and says he contemplated suicide. My genetically weak hearing predisposed me to getting it. I don't know how bad he has it relative to me, I was always tempted to ask him at a convention but didn't want to walk up to him and pry into what is his personal health condition.

    Don't judge before you even imagine what it's like to live like that for the rest of your life.
     
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  20. XCV330

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    I sympathize but what does that have to do with genetic engineering and megalomaniac overlords in a sci fi show?

    Earlier you were apparently upset that the Federation didn't require Spock fuly disclose to everyone he ever met that he had a Vulcan form of dyslexia. Now you're arguing that no matter what happened that caused him to make a star go supernova and kill billions and give Nero justification to kill a few billion more.

    " but I don't think a disability that was never mentioned or indicated before being shoved into the background of one of the most exposed characters in Star Trek is the way to go about it."

    Would Spock wearing a sign and yelling "Shame" every few steps have helped you accept this show and the movies better? Maybe he should just nudge Uhura occasinally and say "Did I mention I suffered through a condition that made it difficult for me to learn? Oh I did, sorry. I'll go tell Smith.."
     
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