What Has Discovery Added To Star Trek Lore?

[fireproof78]

Kirk only did it when he had good reason to, or when the other person was being a dick. Compare that to how Michael Burnham (and now, more recently, Saru) interact with their superior officers in nearly EVERY EPISODE.

No, just no. Kirk is insubordinate, very casual with superiors, to the point of shouting at them.

He steals a ship, sabotages another ship, disobeys a direct order on multiple occasions, with barely a slap on the wrist.

As mentioned by others, Spock falsifies orders and violates a General Order. Again, no repercussions.

I guess, what I'm getting at, is that Discovery has ramped up the routine insubordination to a distracting level, even by Star Trek standards. Week after week, Burnham slaps Pike around with no repercussions at all (even though in his original portrayal, he was depicted as authoritarian to the point that his crew seemed kinda afraid of him), and this week Saru got in on the act in a way that had extreme consequences, and nobody blinked an eye. That's a departure from previous Treks in a considerable measure.

It really isn't.

Also, Pike is demonstrated that his behavior is not his normal style and is called out for it by his Chief Medical Officer. He clearly has grown past the PTSD from Rygel 7 and is a far more warm and open commanding officer, as illustrated by his introduction to the Discovery crew.

 

[PicardSpeedo]

No, just no. Kirk is insubordinate, very casual with superiors, to the point of shouting at them.

He steals a ship, sabotages another ship, disobeys a direct order on multiple occasions, with barely a slap on the wrist.

When he had good reason to, as qualified in my original post. You make it sound like this was every episode or even every other episode of TOS.

Meanwhile, I'm talking about Michael Burnham being an asshole to Pike in every episode of Discovery and Pike just laying down and taking it.

 

[Alan Roi]

I request examples of these statements for each episode of what you claim is going on that match your summaries below. As this does not at all reflect the show I am watching.

"Week after week, Burnham slaps Pike around with no repercussions at all."
" I'm talking about Michael Burnham being an asshole to Pike in every episode of Discovery and Pike just laying down and taking it."

 

[PicardSpeedo]

I request examples of these statements for each episode of what you claim is going on that match your summaries below. As this does not at all reflect the show I am watching.

"Week after week, Burnham slaps Pike around with no repercussions at all."
" I'm talking about Michael Burnham being an asshole to Pike in every episode of Discovery and Pike just laying down and taking it."

Cool, I'll keep that in mind.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Cool, I'll keep that in mind.

Great argument. Wonderful.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Meanwhile, I'm talking about Michael Burnham being an asshole to Pike in every episode of Discovery and Pike just laying down and taking it.

Which scenes were those? I think I might have missed them. Or maybe there are entire episodes I missed?

 

[Tuskin38]

Cool, I'll keep that in mind.

Did you even read the post?

 

[Alan Roi]

Which scenes were those? I think I might have missed them. Or maybe there are entire episodes I missed?

I'm really wondering if CBSAA is providing different versions of the show to different subscribers in that they get a completely different version of scenes. I actually would be interested in seeing the 'Burnham Slapping Pike Around' scenes that I am apparently being unfairly denied.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

She corrected Pike about some fact = white male genocide

 

[Nerys Myk]

She corrected Pike about some fact = white male genocide

Isn't that the job of a Starfleet officer? Never seemed to be a problem when Spock did it.

 

[Alan Roi]

She corrected Pike about some fact = white male genocide

There was that scene where Pike explicitly told her not to make him laugh.

 

[matthunter]

Command officer accepts alternate viewpoints from their crew = beta cuck.

Is this truly what we've sunk to?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Isn't that the job of a Starfleet officer? Never seemed to be a problem when Spock did it.

He’s a bro though, so it’s more like ball busting. :P

 

[Hythlodeus]

Isn't that the job of a Starfleet officer? Never seemed to be a problem when Spock did it.

yeah, but Spock was a (greenish) white, heterosexual, male Alpha. They are allowed to do that

 

[fireproof78]

When he had good reason to, as qualified in my original post. You make it sound like this was every episode or even every other episode of TOS.

Meanwhile, I'm talking about Michael Burnham being an asshole to Pike in every episode of Discovery and Pike just laying down and taking it.

No, I'm saying it is more egregious than Burnham and received no comment whatsoever.

But, I would prefer specific examples (as I provided) to Burnham's behavior, rather than blanket accusations. Otherwise, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[Alan Roi]

yeah, but Spock was a (greenish) white, heterosexual, male Alpha. They are allowed to do that

To be fair, previous Star Trek Captains/Commodores/Admirals would make up their minds, ask for advice and then ignore it and do what they wanted to do in the first place pretty much most of the time regardless of their gender. Spock even pointed this out I believe.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm really wondering if CBSAA is providing different versions of the show to different subscribers

Press One For Regular DISCO
Press Two For Fan Outrage DISCO
Press Three For Canon Violating DISCO

 

[Alan Roi]

Press One For Regular DISCO
Press Two For Fan Outrage DISCO
Press Three Canon Violating DISCO

That would explain A LOT!!

 

[MakeshiftPython]

yeah, but Spock was a (greenish) white, heterosexual, male Alpha. They are allowed to do that

Not so hetero behind closed doors with no cameras.



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[Nerys Myk]

Not so hetero behind closed doors with no cameras.



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