They did a good job too, that "gay" relationship wasn't just plausible, part of the reason I connected with him was because of my relationship with my wife and we're straight.
Spoilers What do you think of Lorca's Arc?
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They did a good job too, that "gay" relationship wasn't just plausible, part of the reason I connected with him was because of my relationship with my wife and we're straight.
EXACTLY! You make the point I've tried to make elsewhere but I kinda fluffed it with concentrating too much on my subjective like of Jason Isaacs as an actor. Objectively - in terms of the CRITICS' views of Jason Isaacs in theatre, TV and movies - he is a fast-rising star. We can look at IMDB or public ratings on rotten tomatoes etc for things he's been in and say "what's the big deal?" (am paraphrasing what someone said to me earlier). However, it was pretty obvious he was going to become a big deal as a character unless you pitted him against some actors of equal stature - and they didn't. Awake ran for one season on NBC and was cancelled (ratings plummeted) but critics loved his portrayal (as did I but I'm concentrating on what casting people are probably thinking about) - and IMHO this was another show that in S1 hadn't really ironed out all the bugs.
I would have preferred if it had been Prime Lorca instead, and someone totally committed to Starfleet values but with his own war time demons to deal with. I feel like that would have been a more 3D and more nuanced character than what we ultimately got.
Very very much so. I thought that's what we had, and was very interested in it. I dreaded a 'sci fi explanation' for his character, and that's exactly what we got.
Yeah the Sci-Fi answer was, a little too predictable and kinda ruined an awesome character.
Dude pulls a Thin Lizzy like a total badass though, I mean they almost made that sci-fi explanation work.
Yeah. Using Game of Thrones as an analogy, it's as if you find out that Stannis is literally posessed by demons rather than just being a shitheel. Even if your character is going to take a nasty turn, it's much better to have them just be a jerk than it is to be not really culpable.
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This.
Unfortunately, this is like The Sixth Sense where, I feel I have to watch it again, knowing what I know now. I hope, in the future, DSC has Humans who are troubled that aren't from the Mirror Universe. Even then, I wasn't bothered necessarily that Lorca was from the Mirror Universe. He could've been "better" or "conflicted" but, in "What's Past Is Prologue" he's just a regular Mirror Universe character who tells Saru and the crew of Discovery, "Sorry I lied to you!"
I think Lorca's arc could've been salvaged if he was fighting for something. If he stood for something. I wasn't really getting that sense, so much as he just wanted to take over.
I think Lorca's arc could've been salvaged if he was fighting for something. If he stood for something. I wasn't really getting that sense, so much as he just wanted to take over.
It was a stupid arc that crashed and burned. Let me echo the others that liked Lorca up to the end of episode 12 and that he suddenly turned into a 2 dimensional mustache twirling cartoon villain.
Plus, this big mirror universe arc in the middle of the big Klingon war arc really disrupted the flow of things. I don't mind multiple arcs happening simultaneously, but this isn't the way to do it. These arcs shouldn't feel like sudden U turns.
Plus, this big mirror universe arc in the middle of the big Klingon war arc really disrupted the flow of things. I don't mind multiple arcs happening simultaneously, but this isn't the way to do it. These arcs shouldn't feel like sudden U turns.
They completely dropped the ball. I have pretty much lost what I little faith I had in the writers.
I never liked Lorca in the sense that I wanted him to stay as a main character captain, but he seemed to be developing into a really compelling and nuanced antagonist. Now I understand that the writers are clueless hacks, and what depth there seemed to be in Lorca, was due Isaacs' stellar performance. The whole mirror arc has been an utter disaster.
I never liked Lorca in the sense that I wanted him to stay as a main character captain, but he seemed to be developing into a really compelling and nuanced antagonist. Now I understand that the writers are clueless hacks, and what depth there seemed to be in Lorca, was due Isaacs' stellar performance. The whole mirror arc has been an utter disaster.
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Landry was from the Prime Universe and she was troubled as hell.
I didn't like the ending, I thought it oculd have been a lot more compelling than just turning him into the cartoon villan. Throughout the series I've noticed instances where I thought the writers were taking a short cut to get from A to Z because Z MUST happen. However since the VoqTyler reveal and now Lorca I'm questioning what is the point of this story.
That Writer guy on After Trek said people were complaining that the crew didn't seem like a bridge crew, his comment was they were doing a different star trek which is to show how they became a bridge crew. My first thought was why do they have to become a bridge crew like this? The only two who remain that are on the bridge with more than one line an episode are Saru and Burnham.
Is the plot there merely to push the characters where the writers want them to end up? It just feels really flat for me. I don't think we've had great character development, the major plot points just seem to have fizzled out. I'm not really that excited to see what happens next. I'll watch until the end but I don't know that I'm going to invest any time in season two.
That Writer guy on After Trek said people were complaining that the crew didn't seem like a bridge crew, his comment was they were doing a different star trek which is to show how they became a bridge crew. My first thought was why do they have to become a bridge crew like this? The only two who remain that are on the bridge with more than one line an episode are Saru and Burnham.
Is the plot there merely to push the characters where the writers want them to end up? It just feels really flat for me. I don't think we've had great character development, the major plot points just seem to have fizzled out. I'm not really that excited to see what happens next. I'll watch until the end but I don't know that I'm going to invest any time in season two.
The arc was great but the ending was very disappointing. Right up to the end i was hoping that he would turn up to be a noble character but he was just a Bond villain as many here observed.
I still hope we see prime Lorca in the second season because the actor is great. Interesting that Isaacs doesn't answer questions about whether he will be back or not but as of now he doesn't have a contract for second season.
I still hope we see prime Lorca in the second season because the actor is great. Interesting that Isaacs doesn't answer questions about whether he will be back or not but as of now he doesn't have a contract for second season.
Much as I'd LOVE to agree with that, won't work. I think casters know Isaacs is gonna get an Oscar for the right film, as does he. He's moved on. So should we.
This is true. He took the first opportunity he had to get back into MU, instead of waiting until the cloaking device info was passed to Starfleet. Any Federation defeat that happened after they went to MU is on him.He could have been the hero of the war but he had other ambitions.
It’s true that the world is full of them. But that’s why we call them a manchild. Because they’re one dimensional. See only themselves. No ability to see other perspectives - other dimensions in the situation.
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