Calm down. I'm just saying that assumptions can alter one's interpretation of the data.
This should be fun: please provide evidence of me irrationally dismissing anything.
What do you think about the USS Vengeance ? (spoilers, probably)
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Calm down. I'm just saying that assumptions can alter one's interpretation of the data.
This should be fun: please provide evidence of me irrationally dismissing anything.
I'm perfectly calm, thanks. "Good grief" is hardly an expression of outrage.
Of course assumptions can alter interpretations of data. No one has said otherwise (my opinions/math comment was referring to this article in particular), and I provided examples where it could, especially in statistics and polling. This is not one of those times, IMO, for the reasons I've already spelled out.
When the person in question provides multiple points of data for all official sizes of the ship so one can pick and choose which interpretation to follow, explains where the data came from, explains that this is speculative and not definitive, and presents his finding in a concise, detailed manner, I don't think it's fair when someone parses his opinion from one section and uses it to dismiss everything without showing where or if his calculations are wrong.
Just as soon as you provide evidence that I was specifically talking about you there and not the comment about "taking his results with a grain of salt" because of his opinion about the decision to resize the ship.
Last response on the issue is all yours. I was just trying to be nice and provide some speculative measurements for the guy who was looking for some. I had no idea it would become a whole thing.
You were replying specifically to my post, and didn't make it clear your comments were general, so it was easy to guess you were talking to me.
I'm glad you did, actually, and I respect the effort that was made. I was simply stating that the film's perspective might not be the best starting point, that's all.
And by the way, I was answering your comment that opinions don't invalidate math, specifically, and nothing else.
Fair enough. 
On the other hand, you'd have a major plot hole in that the ship is supposed to be a secret, and a secret would be rather hard to keep with a crew of over two or three thousand.
Yet there is a model of it just sitting out in the open...
Because it sounds cool?
In my Star Trek experience, when the Enterprise is being pursued by something that sounds like a prop place, it will be a literal prop plane.
I think this was the inspiration for the Vengeance:
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=13014594
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=13014594
Heh, I forgot about that. I made a design inspiration pic for the Vengeance, and that would have fit right in.
^ That multi-story glass command center looks familiar - where have I seen that before?
Heh, nice, but could almost as easily have been the battleship Enterprise by Krisztián “Enterprise-E” Szijj.
On the SHIELD Helicarrier from The Avengers.
Aha. I haven't actually watched that yet, but I must have seen some pictures or artwork someplace. A year or two back, this would have been.
No one in the film said it was a secret IIRC.
Perhaps, but its construction is supervised by Section 31, at an off-the-books construction facility orbiting Jupiter and its crew don't even wear Starfleet uniforms and Commander Starfleet takes personal command of the ship. I'm thinking it's more secret than it is open knowledge.
As for the model on Marcus's office, if anyone asks he probably just tells them it's the proposed design for the next starship class.
I don't see how Admiral Marcus was able to keep his pet project secret with it being in a planetary system that had already a major station - Jupiter Station - next door.
The novel goes into more detail about the steps Marcus took to cover his path. Sometimes, I think that a film with this much complexity of plot, where we have the machinations of conspiracy, needs more time added to its length so that the plot becomes a little more coherent. There are several monologues in the novel that answer some of the questions raised by the movie.
I am perplexed by the choice of models and their location. I can understand the Wright Flyer and the Vostok. I can't understand Gemini nor the V2 Rocket. And, I don't understand why an Admiral would have a collection of models in his office. i would think this would be something you would have in a home.
I listen to the review on Red Letter Media. They are not the only ones who believe that this new film is a rehash of the previous one. i agree with them to a point that JJ Abrams is a good director who was let down by his writing team. And I agree with them that there will probably never be another pure "Star Trek" film. Personally, I feel that if the next film can't be other than a revenge film, that Star Trek as a movie franchise has run its course.
The novel goes into more detail about the steps Marcus took to cover his path. Sometimes, I think that a film with this much complexity of plot, where we have the machinations of conspiracy, needs more time added to its length so that the plot becomes a little more coherent. There are several monologues in the novel that answer some of the questions raised by the movie.
I am perplexed by the choice of models and their location. I can understand the Wright Flyer and the Vostok. I can't understand Gemini nor the V2 Rocket. And, I don't understand why an Admiral would have a collection of models in his office. i would think this would be something you would have in a home.
I listen to the review on Red Letter Media. They are not the only ones who believe that this new film is a rehash of the previous one. i agree with them to a point that JJ Abrams is a good director who was let down by his writing team. And I agree with them that there will probably never be another pure "Star Trek" film. Personally, I feel that if the next film can't be other than a revenge film, that Star Trek as a movie franchise has run its course.
Do you realize how big Jupiter is? One of the things that I think I like about the Abramsverse is that sensors aren't all powerful.
That doesn't make sense to me. If anything the new film felt like a mashup of elements rehashed from ST II, ST III, and ST VI.
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