That's most of what has been posted in this thread. I'd like more discussion, but that's not a requirement for a simple "answer the question" thread like this one.
What do you hate about Trek?
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I don't mind the optimistic future of Trek, but I think it's been pretty remiss not to show any consequences or trade-offs. Instead, the Federation is more like "America in space, but with no poor people."
My opinion is irrelevant, such a world cannot exist. No matter how much technology you have, no matter the schooling, you are still human and therefore are capable of the same actions as anyone else. The only distinction between then and now is that in the 24th century addictions are curable and poverty no longer exists. So systemic crime, as found in many inner cities from post-war to today, may largely disappear. However, crimes of passion, ego will not.
I hate that people spend waking hours worrying about 'canon' and writing hate mail and belittling everyone that actually likes the new movie.
DS9. Enterprise to an extent. Some of the movies. Plus there's the whole Sci-fi/Fantasy forum.People's opinions differ. Better get used to it.That's a bad thing?
Yes, in my opinion, the "optimistic future" that so many TOS and TNG fans hold so dear is boring and pretty much guts all the stories of drama. Your mileage may vary, of course.
So why are you even here? ... Really?
Though I suppose the guy who mentioned the ridiculous humanist bs about evolving beyond our differences and negative emotions put it better than I did.
What about people who spend their non-waking hours dreaming about writing hate mail belittling people that like the new movie?
The optimistic future is one of the things I cherish about Trek. Almost every other sci-fi franchise or standalone offering is pretty bleak.
The only other one that springs to mind is Back to the Future, and that was only 25 or so mins of action from 2015. Five years from now, actually.
Let's not forget that Star Wars is
Sometimes Trek got too serious (TNG) and sometimes Trek got too silly (DS9) but it's all very good.
The only other one that springs to mind is Back to the Future, and that was only 25 or so mins of action from 2015. Five years from now, actually.
Let's not forget that Star Wars is
not set in the future... but the past!! 
Sometimes Trek got too serious (TNG) and sometimes Trek got too silly (DS9) but it's all very good.
So people are born naive. It doesn't make a lick of difference, because it takes everyone (EVERYONE) working together to keep that naivety a reality and only one asshole to crush it and create mistrust. If you want to find out more about studies on that, google "Game Theory." It's what made John Nash famous long before "A Beautiful Mind."
Yesh. If I want to see humanity killing each other, or fucking each other over a profit, I'll go watch the Aliens films....that's a future I hope we NEVER have.
Just cause negativity sells magazines and tabloids, does not mean I want anything to do with it.
Correct. We're all born clean and freash, becoming a smeghead has to be learned. You really think racist Billy hates black people just cause he said, "You know, I hate black people from this day on," no.....it's because of predjudice being part of where he is raised...like predjudiced parents, friends and so on.
Or, you may say "sometimes Trek got too serious (DS9) and sometimes Trek got too silly (TNG)" - depending on what episodes you just watched.The optimistic future is one of the things I cherish about Trek. Almost every other sci-fi franchise or standalone offering is pretty bleak.
The only other one that springs to mind is Back to the Future, and that was only 25 or so mins of action from 2015. Five years from now, actually.
Let's not forget that Star Wars isnot set in the future... but the past!!
Sometimes Trek got too serious (TNG) and sometimes Trek got too silly (DS9) but it's all very good.
Overall, you'd have a real problem on your hands if you wanted to prove that TNG was "more serious" than DS9.
Are they? I haven't done any studies, but the impression I get about babies is that they have the natural instinct to want to be fed and to feel warm and pleasant, and that this is the only thing they concern themselves with. They do feel curiosity about the world, but I suspect that they don't have any idea that other people might have needs or wants of their own, any more than they have an idea about jealousy of mistrust. Trying to be kind to others and help them is something that needs to be learned, as is trying to understand others, see their point of view and put oneself in their shoes.
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- Excessively Bad Grammar.
- Treknobabble That Functions Loud And Clear Despite Enormous Battle Damage.
- Senior (Bridge) Officers never find themselves the (fatal) victims of the bad guys. Enter Joe / Amy Redshirt.
three words: deep space nine
I agree with your comments. I've been defending both Trek, and my love of it, my whole life! It can be hard sometimes. As you say, even my own faith has been tested more than a few times (the latter years of VOY, ENT, and the last few TNG films).
The Enterprise finale/TNG reprise.
People who say "Yay there is no TV series! Generic, replaceable movies FTW!"
(I liked the nuTrek movie. It was fun. But there's nothing there that any SF franchise can't deliver - no television series means nothing of what makes Trek particularly interesting, at least to me.)
People who say "Yay there is no TV series! Generic, replaceable movies FTW!"
(I liked the nuTrek movie. It was fun. But there's nothing there that any SF franchise can't deliver - no television series means nothing of what makes Trek particularly interesting, at least to me.)
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Admittedly I haven't seen the entire Enterprise series, but I saw enough to know that I hate it, do not consider it canon, and think it's a tragic waste of resources and time. My personal jury is out regarding the nuTrek, since I've neither seen the movie nor read the novelization. But I have read enough spoilers here to know that there are elements of the movie that are (in my opinion) just plain STUPID.
At least this isn't like current Dune fandom, where you find lots of people trashing the nuDune novels in spite of never having read them (and proudly asserting they will never read them). I hate the nuDune crap too, but at least I've taken the trouble to read the books so I have a credible leg to stand on when stating my opinions and reasons.
As for what else I hate:
Star Trek III - Robin Curtis was a very poor choice to play Saavik.
Star Trek V - the entire thing.
Star Trek VI - the entire thing.
Star Trek VII - the entire thing.
and so on... (although I did like the music in First Contact)
What I object to most is a professional writer/producer dumbing down his/her offerings to the reading/viewing audience, assuming the people paying good (and expensive, in some cases) money for their products are too stupid to know when the author/producer has been too lazy to properly think out the plot and make an effort to have at least plausibly extrapolated science.
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