What do you hate about Trek?

[ChristopherPike]

I remain bitterly disappointed that the "Supreme Court" of Abrams, Kurtzman & Orci felt they were unable to just do a traditional prequel to The Original Series... abandoning what will forever now be dubbed "the Prime Universe", all to accomodate their villain's evil plot. The field was always wide open for doing an origin story free from time travel paradoxes (stretching what few references exist to the personal histories of Kirk/Spock/McCoy, producing a loose "rites of passage" movie trilogy set between 2233-2266, introducing hither-too unseen set and starship designs which can be placed somewhere between ENT/TOS, even squeezing in epic missions prior to WMNHGB).

The pretext for not sticking to one timeline, because old-timers already know the fate of a crew they're meeting for the first time, simply doesn't hold much water with me.

 

[bbailey861]

I feel the opposite. I don't like it when Trekkies will treat everything that's come before (or mainly just TOS and TNG) as superior to anything else that will come along. Faults of those previous shows or movies will be ignored and they will use any and all faults of whatever is new to tear it apart.

I'd rather people just liked what they liked, old or new.

Yes,

Posters who get personal.

Well...I don't hate them, but they do make the holidays shine a little less brightly.

(Melodramatic enough?)

and yes,

I honestly don't think there is anything that i can say i hate. Sure there are things that could be better, but hate? No, i don't think so.

and yes.

 

[DevilEyes]

The pretext for not sticking to one timeline, because old-timers already know the fate of a crew they're meeting for the first time, simply doesn't hold much water with me.

It does for me.

 

[blaXXer]

This doesn't apply to everyone, obvz, but I hate how fickle Trek fans can be. Like when something new and (literally) shiny comes along all of a sudden old Trek is instantly inferior and subject to scorn and ridicule.

Also, fans like blaXXer.

I bet you have cooties and girls like you.

Why yes, I *do* think girls have cooties.

 

[Geckothan]

Enterprise and Abramstrek. That's about it.

This. And Voyager

Also, fans who call other fans who happen to dislike all of the above "haters".

 

[JarodRussell]

Enterprise and Abramstrek. That's about it.

^^Fans like him.

Oh no.

 

[DevilEyes]

People who treat Trek as a religion and use phrases like "real Trek", "real fans", "Gene Roddenberry's vision" or a variation of "If Gene Roddenberry was alive..."

 

[bbailey861]

This doesn't apply to everyone, obvz, but I hate how fickle Trek fans can be. Like when something new and (literally) shiny comes along all of a sudden old Trek is instantly inferior and subject to scorn and ridicule.

Also, fans like blaXXer.

I bet you have cooties and girls like you.

Why yes, I *do* think girls have cooties.

Girls have cooties?!? I like cooties!!

 

[Geckothan]

People who treat Trek as a religion and use phrases like "real Trek", "real fans", "Gene Roddenberry's vision" or a variation of "If Gene Roddenberry was alive..."

Everyone knows it's "trueTrek" not "realTrek" anyway

 

[Myasishchev]

Voyager.
Enterprise.
"The Chase."
"Genesis."
Generations.
First Contact.
Insurrection.
Nemesis.
Made up particles and physical forces.
The new Jim Kirk, aka Cadet Douchebag.
TOS episodes featuring murder and mayhem ending with inappropriate jokes.
No explanation ever given for why the Breen joined the Dominion.
What they did to Dukat in season 7.
What they did to Sisko in season 7.
The concept of pah-wraiths, excluding "The Assignment."
Lack of continuity.
Lack of arc-based storytelling outside of DS9 and, concededly, Enterprise.
TNG-era Romulan makeup and costuming.
Thinking an explanation was required or desireable for the TNG-era change to Klingon makeup and costuming.
A Bob Jones graduate's understanding of evolutionary processes.
The antipathy toward genetic engineering and (in TOS) artificial intelligence.
The logically unsupportable moral differentiation between weapons that can kill whole planets (photon torpedoes) and weapons that can kill whole planets (thalaron device, Genesis, etc.)
Holodeck episodes, excluding "Hollow Pursuits," "Take Me Out to the Holosuite," and the ones with Moriarty.
Ugly uniforms about half the time.
The doctor (TOS) or counselor (TNG) always standing around jawing on the bridge. Get back to work!
The early mangling of the Ferengi, from which a potentially interesting criticism of capitalism never recovered, and actually got much worse.
The use of forced manual labor as a shorthand for evil, regardless of how little sense it makes given the technology levels of our villains.
Extremely poor plotting and character motivations in some cases (TUC, ST11).
Speed of plot drive.
Risa.
Particle beam weapons that are much less effective than handguns or even a crossbow.
Stewart's increasing influence over the content and tone of the films.
Berman's hatred of music and interest.
Braga's bullshit.
Behr's contempt for the audience (see Dukat, season 7).
Honorary menton for Moore: the ending of Battlestar Galactica.
The "galactic barrier."

That's all I've got right now.

 

[SFRabid]

.. And read "On Writing" sometime. It's great.

The best thing King ever wrote. Well, that and Carie. I had a love/hate thing goiing with King's books. For a long time I liked everything until the ending, and I always hated the endings. His twists at the end became old and predictable to a point that I gave up and stopped reading his stories.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

1. That budgets and time constaints for a weekly television show hurt what a director can deliver.
2. That Trek fans won't accept stories in different mediums as canon. And even so stories are not duplicated from say a chapter of a Trek novel or a comic book into live action Trek.
3. That the owner of the rights to Trek on television is not supportive of a real brand with a core group of fans.
4. That the home video DVD & Blu-ray releases don't have multiple commentary tracks for every episode like some premium cable series do.

 

[Noname Given]

People who treat Trek as a religion and use phrases like "real Trek", "real fans", "Gene Roddenberry's vision" or a variation of "If Gene Roddenberry was alive..."

Sums it up for me.

 

[Captain Randy Hall]

Wow! This is a tough one.

Right off the top of my head, I'd say Generations. As a bigtime Kirk fan, I was almost willing to accept Kirk dying for an Enterprise at the beginning of the film, but his shabby death at the end and the idea that no one but Picard will know of his sacrifice really bothered me. No wonder Shatner wants to be in another movie, to undo this mess!

That's the only Trek that offended me.

 

[Guardian Bob]

Its not on TV.

 

[Kirkman1987]

Not much I guess. There's some bad episodes here and there, but it's comforting to have a few bad episodes to laugh at down the line.

If one thing bothered me, I wish DS9 would've set a precedent for future series to try something new and not rehash the TNG ideas over and over. As it was, I enjoyed VOY and ENT on occassion, but they could've been much more.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Personally, I hated Trek's association with UPN and the need to crank out one show after another for it. I really wished that Trek on TV had taken a long break after DS9 ended and then returned with a fourth series in 2008...

 

[Kirkman1987]

^

Yes, it seems fishy to me that the decline in quality came in as soon as Trek became the flagship of the new UPN network.

 

[Fist McStrongpunch]

Optimistic future
Entire alien species defined by one aspect of human nature
Rick Berman
Fans invoking St. Roddenberry

 

[StarshipDefiant]

Poor quality stories, because one person is adamant about a particular idea when several other writers/producers/advisers are advising against it (thereby doing their job), because the idea, plain and simple, sucks. The same could be said for a lack of consistency, not on the minor things (I'm not going to cry canon violation on make up changes unless it's for some reason, awkwardly addressed onscreen), but the major things. Another part of this, can be studio interference that prevents certain ideas from happening, because they don't like it, or want something 'familiar' (I've researched this to be the case many times for ENT) on the series/film to draw in the fans, when same said advisers/writers/etc... are against it for above said ideas.

Overly obsessed fans giving the general fanbase a bad name (it's no wonder why some people involved in trek want to avoid the fanbase).

Partially to above, but a lack of research, you don't have to know each and every tiny trivial detail, but honestly. You should know if a character is Human or not.

Paramount putting Trek on a channel very few had at the time (and still to this day maybe), and then wondering why the ratings suck. The same can be said for airing trek at 3AM, and then wondering why the ratings suck.

And finally (for this post, and it goes with the others), a lack of foresight and some basic outlining/planning. You don't necessarily need to plan out every single second before the first episode even airs, but when you introduce a story arc in the series (particuarlly in the pilot), and it's thought to be an ongoing thing, some sort of an idea on the direction it's going to head would be the smart thing to do.