What do you hate about Trek?

[WorfSucksDax]

Ok, I love Trek.

But I only got into it over the last year, watching a series start to finish, so I'm pretty new, and I was wondering why fans, among who I now count myself, can get so pissed off with Trek.

Im just going to digress... sorry. When I was about 12 I started reading Stephen King, I'm a good reader, and I was also reading good literature, but I found King ok for escapism. People used to see me with a King book and take the piss out if him for being just a horror writer. I defended him all the time, I didnt say he was Noble prize stuff, but ok. Then he dropped something called 'The Dark Tower' this is the last book in a series which hadnt been good for a while, i wont go into it but just a taste: (dont read following sentence if dnt want it spoiled) the big villain turns out to be a an old man throwing explosive golden snitches from a balcony, they get rid of him by drawing a pic of him and rubbing him out...

Anyway, I was pissed. Not so much becuase it was so bad but because I had defended this guy, and he'd just handed me 500 words of shit. I sort of think the same about Trek, its really annoying having the defend it, its such a good show and all. But then someone will walk in on you watching 'The Amazing OKona' or 'Star Trek Generations' and you'll just curse how bad it is. You just have to shake it off with 'oh this is a bad episode'. This is something the writers dont often understand, there is so much obligation to be write well, and they often just hand in hack scripts.

 

[Orcus]

The Jury Duty Lady...

 

[Nevyn]

Endgame, Voyager's last episode. We've got admiral Janeway's crappy morality, a deus ex machina transwarp hub to get Voyager home, a bunch of Uber weapons to bring the Borg's villain decay to the next level, a romance that came out of the blue, and a whole bunch of inconsistencies (a Nova-class with fire power equal to a Sovereign, comes to mind, but there are others).

In mine opinion Voyager had the worst final episode of the three (TNG, DS9, VOY). Things went downhill from there. While TNG, DS9, and VOY had some bad episodes, most were still good. But everything after Endgame was just bad: Nemesis, the whole of ENT, and the latest XI film. It's almost as if the writers stoped trying to make something good. Sure, specil effects were okay, but I expect more from Trek. Much more.

 

[JarodRussell]

Enterprise and Abramstrek. That's about it.

 

[blaXXer]

^^Fans like him.

 

[Shazam!]

This doesn't apply to everyone, obvz, but I hate how fickle Trek fans can be. Like when something new and (literally) shiny comes along all of a sudden old Trek is instantly inferior and subject to scorn and ridicule.

Also, fans like blaXXer.

 

[WorfSucksDax]

Haha, new Star Trek movie is such an insult.

 

[Misfit Toy]

Posters who get personal.

Well...I don't hate them, but they do make the holidays shine a little less brightly.

(Melodramatic enough?)

 

[thew40]

Anyway, I was pissed. Not so much becuase it was so bad but because I had defended this guy, and he'd just handed me 500 words of shit.

While I agree that the defeat of the Crimson King was a major disappointment, I wouldn't equate the final novel "500 words of shit." Have you tried to re-read it since you first read it? And thrown in "Insomnia?"

I sort of think the same about Trek, its really annoying having the defend it, its such a good show and all. But then someone will walk in on you watching 'The Amazing OKona' or 'Star Trek Generations' and you'll just curse how bad it is. You just have to shake it off with 'oh this is a bad episode'. This is something the writers dont often understand, there is so much obligation to be write well, and they often just hand in hack scripts.

When you have a franchise that spans well over 700 installments, then you're garunteed to have some flops. That being said, there's nothing I particularly "hate" about Trek. Are there episodes that are embarassingly bad? Yes. But I can accept that and move on because there's a lot of good stuff to.

In terms of defending Trek . . . welcome to life as a Trekkie. I've been defending Trek from my older brother since I was in the 5th grade. Guess what? I'm 27, and he still tries to tell how "bad" it is.

I suppose there are things I disagree with or episodes that I wish would have been better, but nothing I outright hate, no.

This doesn't apply to everyone, obvz, but I hate how fickle Trek fans can be. Like when something new and (literally) shiny comes along all of a sudden old Trek is instantly inferior and subject to scorn and ridicule.

I feel the opposite. I don't like it when Trekkies will treat everything that's come before (or mainly just TOS and TNG) as superior to anything else that will come along. Faults of those previous shows or movies will be ignored and they will use any and all faults of whatever is new to tear it apart.

 

[SFRabid]

Haters who pretend to be Star Trek fans. You know the people I'm talking about. They have not watched two full episodes of Enterprise but they love to get on the forums and trash it. They started finding fault with ST XI when it was first announced. At VegasCon 2008 I was standing in line and a fan told me then he would love to meet Abrams so he could punch him in the face. That is when I realized that there are a lot bigger mental cases out there than the Jury Lady.

With 28 seasons and 11 movies there are going to be some flops. Get over it. With 28 seasons and 11 movies there is a LOT of good stuff out there. If you find something you don't like, move on. Remember that not everyone likes the same things. There is enough room in the ST universe for everyone. Not everything is bout you, what you want and what you like.

 

[barnaclelapse]

This and that. There's movies, characters, episodes and even whole shows that I'm not crazy about, but I can't really say I hate those things. I also can't say those things detract in any way from my enjoyment of Trek. I'm at a point now where I stick to the stuff I like and generally avoid the stuff I don't.

Sorry it can't be more elaborate than that.

 

[WorfSucksDax]

I dont care if its bad though, what I dont like is when theres something where no effort has been put in, like the King book, there was clearly no effort put into that ending at all. It was just, this should sell. Like so many Voyagers, or the TNG films, parts of that just felt like they werent bothering. I mean do you think people sat down and really discussed the Nexus as a concept?

 

[Yeoman Randi]

I honestly don't think there is anything that i can say i hate. Sure there are things that could be better, but hate? No, i don't think so.

 

[thew40]

I mean do you think people sat down and really discussed the Nexus as a concept?

Yes.

 

[WorfSucksDax]

im not sure how to contact thew40 so I'll jsut say here and Trekkies can skip it:

The last three Towers felt like King jerking off in my face...

Firstly, the previous four came out over, what, 20 years? Those last three came out within about two years. He wrote them to get them out of the way, he even had those bits were he admitted he wasnt sure about the project anymore.

Yes I have re-read, and have also read Insomnia and Hearts in Atlantis (both good), they dont attach any kind of meaning at all, characters just happened to turn up again, this does not make a writer clever. Then there were the bits that seemed stuck in just to make King look intelligent. Like 19, wtf was that? Its not smart if people simply keep seeing 19 everywhere, all of a sudden, for no reason. Stephen King is God of these people because he's a writer? Wow, stunning, I've only heard a million crappy 'creative writing' students come out with that shit. Wow, you know that King Arthur had a son called Mordred, better use that! You had that whole thing with the priest guy, his whole backstory, and he didnt even DO anything.

Wolves of the Calla... nothing happened.
Song of Susannah... stuff happened, Mordred born... gee I hope this pays off
The Dark Tower... It doesnt

Then you fix up Susannah with someone totally different from 'her' Eddie. You stop the story before the ending to say the end is not what you expected and if the reader doesnt like it then he just doesnt get it, and is 'confused'. The only reason King chose that ending was because he could use that first sentence again.

Sorry for the rant but I really hate that man.

 

[WorfSucksDax]

Seriously, you think they actually got down and said, ok, what is this thing, how does it work, whats it purpose in this film. I mean the fans destroyed the Nexus, it was just something to get Kirk and Picard together. I mean how can they have sat down and rationalised this thing? If a bunch of fans can pick it apart, how long did they realy sit don and hash it out?

 

[Shazam!]

I feel the opposite. I don't like it when Trekkies will treat everything that's come before (or mainly just TOS and TNG) as superior to anything else that will come along. Faults of those previous shows or movies will be ignored and they will use any and all faults of whatever is new to tear it apart.

I'd rather people just liked what they liked, old or new.

 

[thew40]

I feel the opposite. I don't like it when Trekkies will treat everything that's come before (or mainly just TOS and TNG) as superior to anything else that will come along. Faults of those previous shows or movies will be ignored and they will use any and all faults of whatever is new to tear it apart.

I'd rather people just liked what they liked, old or new.

Agreed!

Seriously, you think they actually got down and said, ok, what is this thing, how does it work, whats it purpose in this film. I mean the fans destroyed the Nexus, it was just something to get Kirk and Picard together. I mean how can they have sat down and rationalised this thing? If a bunch of fans can pick it apart, how long did they realy sit don and hash it out?

I don't remember fans destroying the Nexus. Yes, it was a bit of a McGuffin, but at the same time, it was pretty.

im not sure how to contact thew40 so I'll jsut say here and Trekkies can skip it:

The last three Towers felt like King jerking off in my face...

Firstly, the previous four came out over, what, 20 years? Those last three came out within about two years. He wrote them to get them out of the way, he even had those bits were he admitted he wasnt sure about the project anymore.

Yes I have re-read, and have also read Insomnia and Hearts in Atlantis (both good), they dont attach any kind of meaning at all, characters just happened to turn up again, this does not make a writer clever. Then there were the bits that seemed stuck in just to make King look intelligent. Like 19, wtf was that? Its not smart if people simply keep seeing 19 everywhere, all of a sudden, for no reason. Stephen King is God of these people because he's a writer? Wow, stunning, I've only heard a million crappy 'creative writing' students come out with that shit. Wow, you know that King Arthur had a son called Mordred, better use that! You had that whole thing with the priest guy, his whole backstory, and he didnt even DO anything.

Wolves of the Calla... nothing happened.
Song of Susannah... stuff happened, Mordred born... gee I hope this pays off
The Dark Tower... It doesnt

Then you fix up Susannah with someone totally different from 'her' Eddie. You stop the story before the ending to say the end is not what you expected and if the reader doesnt like it then he just doesnt get it, and is 'confused'. The only reason King chose that ending was because he could use that first sentence again.

Sorry for the rant but I really hate that man.

Private Message me when it comes to this. And read "On Writing" sometime. It's great.

 

[WorfSucksDax]

How?

 

[Traveller]

I am disappointed when the writers don't fulfill my wishes, but I don't hate anything about Trek. It's entertainment, I enjoy it very much, it lets me escape from reality for an hour or two... but I'm not that passionate about it that I can obsess over red matter for weeks oder wish to do violence to Abrams (actually, I enjoyed his film much more than any of the TNG movies).

And I've never felt the need to defend my love for Trek. My hobby isn't anyone's business. I don't tell people what to do in their free time and I don't listen to those who try that on me.