What do you do with your porn?

[ShamelessMcBundy]

There's your problem right there.

 

[T'Baio]

(Plus, I've been taught that the only way it's ok for Christians to masturbate is if they're imagining their future mate while doing so, instead of thinking of an actual specific person.)

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Crazy Christians, they find a way out of everything.

 

[K-Star]

(Plus, I've been taught that the only way it's ok for Christians to masturbate is if they're imagining their future mate while doing so, instead of thinking of an actual specific person.)

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Crazy Christians, they find a way out of everything.

Well, it's because looking at porn and fantasizing about the people in the porn is considered "adultery of the mind," since real people that you KNOW exist are involved, but just imagining your ideal future spouse is alright since you're only supposed to have sex with your spouse anyway. That's just how I was brought up, and I'm cool with it.

(Not to say I haven't looked at pornographic drawings before out of mere curiosity, but most of that stuff grosses me out anyway. Especially when certain bodily fluids or sexual actions are depicted. And I sure as hell don't download it!)

 

[ed629]

I just got a box of porn from my sister... she had it laying around in her garage. She was "Hey... take this big box of porn."

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

Hahahahahahahaha. Ewww, second "hand" porn.

 

[Gil T.Azell]

Personally, I enjoy watching porn for the cinematography.

Yeah I'm sure that shot of the huge pimple on her ass is a big turn on,

 

[ShamelessMcBundy]

What kind of porn do you watch?

 

[Goliath]

Personally, I enjoy watching porn for the cinematography.

Yeah I'm sure that shot of the huge pimple on her ass is a big turn on,.

Dude.

Do us all a favour.

Go to Wikipedia, and read the article on "irony."

Then come back to this thread, and read that post again.

We'll wait.

 

[SicOne]

Forget all the artsy-shmartsy justifications posted on the last three pages. When it all comes down to it, at the end of the proverbial day, it's about masterbation.

You know--you should actually read people's posts before you say things like this.

(You can read, can't you?)

If you do that, you might actually contribute something interesting to the discussion--instead of just flailing away at a straw man, and making yourself look like a fool.

It's spelled "masturbation," BTW. That's a common mistake among the poorly-educated.

Ohhh, sarcasm, that's awesome! Duhhh, yeah, I did read the posts, and yeah, I can read, thank you so very much for your assessment of my intellect. I read a few pages worth of attempts to justify pornography as art, as well as discussion of varying levels of what-is-pornography, and while there were some valid points to be made (kudos to you, there, and others), there was a major point left untouched (no pun intended). As always, it seems to fall to me to speak truth, or at least my perception thereof. I didn't know you were so sensitive about the artistic value of pornography. I was only attempting to reduce it to its most fundamental purpose. Sorry, man.

What say, guys, did I make myself look like a fool? According to several other posters, I did contribute something interesting to the discussion. Maybe a little more verbose and crude than to your liking, but interesting to others nonetheless. And interesting is in the eye of the beholder. Speaking of the eye of the beholder...

Sorry about the misspelling of "masturbation". I was wanking off to the painting of the satyr and the nymphs at the time, and don't remember whether I made an accidental typographical error that anyone could make, or if I got something in my eye...

And don't denigrate my education, or lack thereof. I'm proud of the way my three freshman semesters at university ended! A consistent blood alcohol level higher than a grade-point average is an achievement that most can only aspire to.

I'd say something about comparing paystubs and tax returns, then debating who ultimately benefitted the most from their educational opportunities (unless you're a published author rolling in royalties or a well-paid museum curator, philosophic discussion and/or art history and analysis don't pay the rent), but that would be uncouth of me, and I refuse to make personal attacks.

Hey, thanks for participating! Have a nice day!

 

[Gil T.Azell]

Personally, I enjoy watching porn for the cinematography.

Yeah I'm sure that shot of the huge pimple on her ass is a big turn on,.

Dude.

Do us all a favour.

Go to Wikipedia, and read the article on "irony."

Then come back to this thread, and read that post again.

We'll wait.

MY shot at sarcasim missed, Oh well.

 

[Goliath]

Ohhh, sarcasm, that's awesome!

Thanks.

Duhhh, yeah, I did read the posts, and yeah, I can read, thank you so very much for your assessment of my intellect.

You're welcome.

I read a few pages worth of attempts to justify pornography as art...

No, you didn't. And it's exactly this claim that raised questions in my mind about your ability or willingness to read.

There is not a single attempt in this thread to justify pornography as art. Not one.

I've reviewed this thread, and the closest thing I can find to what you describe is RJDiogenes's reference to artistic nudes, which might be read as an attempt to defend some kinds of pornography as art. And even then, as I pointed out, it's not clear that truly artistic nudes should be considered pornography. I certainly don't see them that way.

In fact, most of the posters in this thread make it quite clear that, in their eyes, pornography has no artistic value at all. Hence, all the jokes about watching porn for the cinematography and dialogue.

...as well as discussion of varying levels of what-is-pornography, and while there were some valid points to be made (kudos to you, there, and others)...

Thanks again.

...there was a major point left untouched (no pun intended). As always, it seems to fall to me to speak truth, or at least my perception thereof. I didn't know you were so sensitive about the artistic value of pornography. I was only attempting to reduce it to its most fundamental purpose. Sorry, man.

You remind me of something Jacques Derrida wrote, about a person who "ne pveut pas lire."

There was no "major point untouched" in this thread. We certainly didn't need you to tell us that people buy pornography in order to masturbate to it. If you thought this was a big revelation to us all, then you were sadly mistaken.

Need proof? Just look at both the OP, and the first three responses:

Are there other uses besides the obvious?

^ Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

You jerk off to it!

Men fapfapfap, women squicksquicksquick.

Nor was this the full extent of your failure. In addition to telling us all what we already knew, you then proceeded to restate other points which other posters had already raised.

And in the process, you practically ignored the OP's question, which was: does anyone use pornography for anything besides the obvious? That is to say, for anything besides a masturbation aid?

Your implied answer seems to be 'no,' but that's not correct. Pornographic works can be used for some things besides their intended purpose--for example, as cultural-historical documents, or as the inspiration for works of art.

Finally: I am not sensitive about the artistic value of pornography; once again, tu ne pveux pas lire. I never claimed, in this thread, that pornography had any artistic value. In fact, I have argued for a clear distinction between pornography and art.

The only thing I'm sensitive about is other people misrepresenting what I say, and putting their own words in my mouth. People like you, for instance.

What say, guys, did I make myself look like a fool? According to several other posters, I did contribute something interesting to the discussion. Maybe a little more verbose and crude than to your liking, but interesting to others nonetheless.

Actually, if you'll review this thread, you'll find that only two posters have responded to your little intervention: RJDiogenes and myself. And most of our discussion has revolved around the harshness of my response.

As far as I can tell, no one else even noticed your post. I certainly don't see "several other posters" talking about the interesting points you raised.

Sorry about the misspelling of "masturbation".

You don't have to be sorry. Just don't do it again.

I was wanking off to the painting of the satyr and the nymphs at the time, and don't remember whether I made an accidental typographical error that anyone could make, or if I got something in my eye...

You must be quite young if you find that painting exciting enough to serve as a masturbation aid.

But if that truly is the case, then you must have got something in your eye. The "e" key is nowhere near the "u" key, so that could hardly have been a typo.

And don't denigrate my education, or lack thereof. I'm proud of the way my three freshman semesters at university ended! A consistent blood alcohol level higher than a grade-point average is an achievement that most can only aspire to.

If that's true, then I feel sorry for you. University is not for everyone, and I've known a number of people who've wasted a lot of their parents' money, or their own, before they realized that they weren't cut out for a university education.

In fact, the only thing sadder than a dropout like yourself is someone who struggles through to the end, piling up student debt and earning only medicore grades, in order to acquire an undergraduate degree that provides them with no immediate benefits. At least you were smart enough to bail out early and explore other options in life.

I'd say something about comparing paystubs and tax returns, then debating who ultimately benefitted the most from their educational opportunities (unless you're a published author rolling in royalties or a well-paid museum curator, philosophic discussion and/or art history and analysis don't pay the rent), but that would be uncouth of me, and I refuse to make personal attacks.

Ohhh, a thinly-veiled insult! That's awesome!

I would be happy to compare my paystubs and tax returns with yours: my educational opportunities paid off quite handsomely. I am a professor at a small Canadian university. I live comfortably on my salary, and I'm currently looking forward to a long, lazy summer of research and writing, with only an occasional appearance at the office.

So, once again, we see that you're mistaken. Philosophic discussion and/or art history do pay the rent--if you're good at them, and willing to invest the time and money necessary to obtain the relevant degrees

Hey, thanks for participating! Have a nice day!

You too.

 

[Pingfah]

In fact, the only thing sadder than a dropout like yourself is someone who struggles through to the end, piling up student debt and earning only medicore grades, in order to acquire an undergraduate degree that provides them with no immediate benefits.

I think you just burned just about everybody I know

 

[Goliath]

In fact, the only thing sadder than a dropout like yourself is someone who struggles through to the end, piling up student debt and earning only medicore grades, in order to acquire an undergraduate degree that provides them with no immediate benefits.

I think you just burned just about everybody I know

Sorry. It wasn't my intention to burn anyone.

But I honestly think that a significant minority of my students would be better off at a vocational or technical institution.

A university education can yield all sorts of tangible and intangible benefits, both expected and unexpected. For example: I never expected an Honours BA in History to get me a job as a quality inspector at a molded-plastics plant--but it did.

But for some people, it never pays off--or pays off only in the very long term. If students are struggling to get D's and C's, then, in my opinion, they should really consider doing something else in life. The demand for skilled workers is much higher than the demand for academics, and they could save themselves a lot of disappointment and bitterness thereby.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I've reviewed this thread, and the closest thing I can find to what you describe is RJDiogenes's reference to artistic nudes, which might be read as an attempt to defend some kinds of pornography as art. And even then, as I pointed out, it's not clear that truly artistic nudes should be considered pornography. I certainly don't see them that way.

I think maybe I (or we in general) approached that one from the wrong direction. I should put it this way: The "Artness" of something is not determined by subject matter, only execution.

 

[sidious618]

Of course porn is art. At least that's what I tell myself as I let loose the guilty sobs.

 

[Capn Flukie]

Never mind what I do with my porn, it's what I do with your porn you should be concerned about.

 

[JimCasy]

I'm not really a big fan of porn. I don't have a problem with it, it's just not something I've ever cared enough to buy or download.

Plus the people who are in porn generally aren't the type of people I find attractive. Though let me know when one comes out with Alan Rickman banging a hot plus size model. I'll be all over that.

If other people want to watch (or read/look at/whatever) porn, go nuts. I dated a guy who liked to watch porn while we had sex, which I didn't care about. It was kind of weird cause I couldn't see it because I always had my glasses off though, heh, but I could hear it. Just listening to it is kind of funny.

When I was in high school my friends and I would watch really poorly made porn and MST3K it. That was always a good time.

 

[Goliath]

I've reviewed this thread, and the closest thing I can find to what you describe is RJDiogenes's reference to artistic nudes, which might be read as an attempt to defend some kinds of pornography as art. And even then, as I pointed out, it's not clear that truly artistic nudes should be considered pornography. I certainly don't see them that way.

I think maybe I (or we in general) approached that one from the wrong direction. I should put it this way: The "Artness" of something is not determined by subject matter, only execution.

If execution includes intention--and I don't see how it couldn't, unless you were creating some kind of aleatory art--then I agree.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Mostly, I suppose, although with Photography in particular there have certainly been many cases of "accidental Art."

Though let me know when one comes out with Alan Rickman banging a hot plus size model. I'll be all over that.

You may find something that appeals to you at deviantArt.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

I don't collect porn. I don't buy porn, I don't rent porn, I don't stockpile porn, I don't in anyway pay for porn.

What would be the point?

It's on the Internet, it's everywhere. Just turn off safesearch in google and type anything in. However innocuous. It may be "taupe upholstery" or "dextrous contribution", and you will get a porn link on the first page.

It isn't even worth saving stuff to your hard drive anymore.

All I need is about 20 or 30 minutes of satisfaction and I'm done. I've memorised my fave sites, and I've got adblock and popup blockers at maximum. So no stress there either.