What did you think of Space Leia? (last jedi spoilers I guess)

[Reverend]

There has to be SOME semblance of adhering to a vague framework of physics as we know them or it just turns into a cartoon. Which it's getting a little close for comfort to in my view.

There is more than just a semblance. Planets have gravity! Flying into stars at the speed of light is unhealthy! There are a *lot* of planets in the galaxy! Being exposed to hard vacuum for less than 60 seconds requires emergency medical treatment!

Either you haven't been paying attention or you really don't understand what the words "some semblance" actually means. That or you're just being unnecessarily hyperbolic and don't actually have a salient point at all.

 

[Smellmet]

Or I just thought leia should have been dead and I found the scene poorly done and stretched the 'some semblance' past it's admittedly sketchy limits.

I'm far from the only person to have this view on this ridiculous scene.

 

[davejames]

Exactly. Considering most Jedis were killed by a simple blaster during General Order 66, and the Emperor died falling into a power generator, I doubt Leia would have lasted for several minutes in a cold, pressureless vacuum after having been violently blown out into space.

Normally that would be true, but I think Johnson was clearly trying to suggest that Leia was much stronger in the Force than anyone would have guessed, or that perhaps the Force was working through her in a different and more powerful way than usual (much as it seems to be with Rey during this time). And given the fact it's a freakin scifi icon like Leia, I really have no problem with that.

I had a lot of issues with the movie the first time through, but this is a moment that's always felt pretty magical and awe-inspiring from the start. Much like Yoda lifting the X-Wing in ESB.

 

[marillion]

I thought it was perfectly fine. She is strong with the Force as Luke said... it protected her and allowed her to do what she did as has already been established in canon. I thought it was touching and moving.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Like all the rest of the poorly written scenes in this film, It was a cheap stunt with a painfully ridiculous resolution and absolutely no dramatic re-watch value what so ever.

If Johnson wanted to give a demonstration of her abilities, he should have just had her be the one to move the rubble at the end; In truth, I'm still not entirely sure why she didn't. She was probably still tuckered out from her slightly less than appropriate "Look there's Carrie Fisher in a coma on life support" scene.

Watching this movie was like watching a car wreck unfolding right before my very eyes, in so many ways.

 

[Reverend]

Or I just thought leia should have been dead and I found the scene poorly done and stretched the 'some semblance' past it's admittedly sketchy limits.

Dead from what exactly? A few seconds of vacuum exposure? It takes a little longer than that to suffocate. And it's not like she just shrugged it off either. She spent pretty much the entire second act unconscious in a medical bed.

I'm far from the only person to have this view on this ridiculous scene.

An abundance of incorrect opinions doesn't make them any less incorrect, just more abundantly incorrect.

 

[Smellmet]

Dead from what exactly? A few seconds of vacuum exposure? It takes a little longer than that to suffocate. And it's not like she just shrugged it off either. She spent pretty much the entire second act unconscious in a medical bed.



An abundance of incorrect opinions doesn't make them any less incorrect, just more abundantly incorrect.

Oh please. It was a lot more than a few seconds. The camera was slowly panning around her, she was unconscious and looked frozen to boot. What exactly woke her from this state? Oh that's right, the force.

If we're not careful (unless we're there already) then the overreaching powers of the force in these new movies are going to get to the point where any peril or tension for the characters are going to be robbed from them and it'll just be the get out clause for any ridiculous scene they decide to 'one up' this one with.

You saying I'm part of a large group of people with an 'incorrect' viewpoint to your own I think is arrogant at best. As I've stated I don't have a problem with leia being able to pull herself in from the exploded bridge, just not the way it was depicted here, which was just playing for the easy 'twist' in my view.

 

[mos6507]

It was a leap but I was willing to give it as much credence if not more than similar moments in Guardians of the Galaxy where it seems like people are constantly exposed to the vacuum of space.

The problem with her moving the boulders is the fact that Rey is supposed to be the protagonist. It was a calculated move to bring the old trio back for The Force Awakens but at some point they need to pass the torch and not just do all the heavy-lifting (pun intended). Having her be "scrappy" and survive decompression was less disruptive to the main plot as stealing the boulder-moving away from Rey would have been, especially considering that Luke already offers a huge (and very literal) deus ex machina.

 

[Reverend]

The thing is, the way the movie was structured Leia needed to be out of it for most of the second act. There's no way Poe or anyone else in the Resistance would have mutinied if Leia was the one giving orders. She's the whole reason most of them are even there, they would jump off a cliff if she asked them to.

Poe arc was about learning to put his trust in others, to understand that leadership requires thought and care for the lives he's responsible for and that destroying the enemy at all costs will ultimately cost everything. At the start of the movie he's basically about two steps away from being another Saw Gerrera, but by the end he's more like Leia and you can be he'll be leading the new rebellion in Episode IX.

So yeah, Holdo taking charge is required for that whole plot to be even remotely credible.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

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...Just another bad scene in an overall bad movie.

 

[Saul]

Watched the movie again this evening and that scene again. I still like it, actually got me a little misty eyed as all scenes with Leia did. But I love that we got to see that she is a powerful force user.
I also noticed a scene where Poe had locked himself on the bridge and Leia comes in after the door has been blasted open is very similar to Vader's entrance in A New Hope.

 

[Jax]

Remember when fans were complaining about how she wasn't using force powers or became a Jedi since she is a Skywalker after all...

If Luke had done that scene, all the fanboys would be creaming their pants over how powerful he is.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Nah. But I would have "creamed my pants" if Mace Windu did it; And he didn't even have the vacuum of space to worry about.
Shit, I would have even been willing to soil a sock if Yoda had done it in the senate chamber or the Emperor down that shaft.
Hell, why don't all Jedi and Sith fly around like Magneto?

 

[EnderAKH]

Nah. But I would have "creamed my pants" if Mace Windu did it; And he didn't even have the vacuum of space to worry about.
Shit, I would have even been willing to soil a sock if Yoda had done it in the senate chamber or the Emperor down that shaft.
Hell, why don't all Jedi and Sith fly around like Magneto?

...gravity?

 

[starsuperion]

Dead from what exactly? A few seconds of vacuum exposure? It takes a little longer than that to suffocate. And it's not like she just shrugged it off either. She spent pretty much the entire second act unconscious in a medical bed.



An abundance of incorrect opinions doesn't make them any less incorrect, just more abundantly incorrect.

So who is the ultimate arbiter of what's correct or not? Science, or fanboyish sycophants? Seems like the latter here. But if science is played fast and loose, then what's the point of accepting believability in anything presented in the movies? So let's just chalk it up to Magic like LOTR and forget this is science fiction. Problem solved.

 

[crookeddy]

Star wars was never and will never be science fiction.

 

[JD]

Star Wars has always been more LOTR that Star Trek, and the Force has pretty much always been magic with a very thin like of sci-fi gobbledygook.
I like the scene with Leia saving herself, it was cool to finally see her actually using the Force.

 

[bigglesworth]

If Johnson wanted to give a demonstration of her abilities, he should have just had her be the one to move the rubble at the end; In truth, I'm still not entirely sure why she didn't. She was probably still tuckered out from her slightly less than appropriate "Look there's Carrie Fisher in a coma on life support" scene.

Leia wasn't so tuckered out that she couldn't force push a durasteel blast door off of it's proverbial hinges (immediately after she woke from her coma). I'd guess that the force (pun intended) to do that would be equal to or greater than to force required to move a few dozen rocks.

 

[starsuperion]

I love how fanboys make up all these convoluted explanations and justifications for writer failings. Instead of accepting that the writing was poor.

 

[David cgc]

Leia wasn't so tuckered out that she couldn't force push a durasteel blast door off of it's proverbial hinges (immediately after she woke from her coma).

I'm pretty sure that was space-C-4 on the door.