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Nice, do you have multi-views of the ship?
What could a future earth space ship look like.
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Nice, do you have multi-views of the ship?
The question was answered twice.Still dodging the question... and it is now clear you have no real answer.
With a complete non-answer, but okay. You simply don't know is all.
I can't help you if you don't recognise an answer when it's presented to you. Never mind.
oops didn't know. I say that movie twice too.
Dude, she has given you the clear answer twice already.
for non-FTL ships see:
Race to Mars 2007 TV series
since Race to Mars was
Antares ship [image here] from
Defying Gravity ABC 2009 series
based on
nuclear thermal rocket powered Pegasus spacecraft Space Odyssey: Voyage to the Planets,
from
Race to Mars 2007 TV series
since Race to Mars was
Antares ship [image here] from
Defying Gravity ABC 2009 series
based on
nuclear thermal rocket powered Pegasus spacecraft Space Odyssey: Voyage to the Planets,
Actually why aren't ANY humans of ANY ethnicity migrating back to Africa en masse given that Africa's our natural habitat if humans possess an inclination to return to their distant point of origin?
Dude, she has given you the clear answer twice already.
"Because Earth is our natural habitat" is not an answer to the question of why black people are not returning to Africa. AFRICA is their natural habitat; not antarctica, not Alaska, not Canada, not even Los Angeles. Any habitat they may inhabit other than that is similar, but ever so slightly different... about as different as a generation ship will be from living on Earth (probably less so, since such a vessel will have a controllable environment).
Basically, it gives lie to the claim that humans have any instinctual drive to return to our "natural habitat." We don't; any habitat will do as long as it is sufficiently comfortable. Otherwise, entire swaths of our society would exhibit strong migratory patterns towards their ancestral homelands.
Exactly my point.
What I think she means by habitat(she is just using a word which you picked up on to describe earth. You picked up on it and instead of asking if she wants to use a different word, you just locked onto that word and are using against her), she mean that humans will always have a need to come back to this nitrogen,oxygen, some carbon monoxide, rock in space because its all of our roots. garunteed you go to another planet, when you breath that air and it doesn't taste the same you will get a small bout of home-sickness.
Not that your not wrong completely, because obviously in a generational ship, the kids who are born on the ship will only have pictures and not have a sense of home-sickness until they leave the ship. They may have curiosity to go back to where their parents and grandparents came from, but they won't have a sense of home-sickness toward earth and thats where your right.
Not that your not wrong completely, because obviously in a generational ship, the kids who are born on the ship will only have pictures and not have a sense of home-sickness until they leave the ship. They may have curiosity to go back to where their parents and grandparents came from, but they won't have a sense of home-sickness toward earth and thats where your right.
Let me try, strictly speaking newtype alpha the habitat in Africa isn't in any way unique, equatorial Africa's habital is exactly the same as equatorial Brazil, as equatorial Indonesia, it is the same. Humanities natural habitat isn't a SPOT on the surface of the Earth. And the environment of Africa in terms of air, water, things to eat are ubiquitous across much of the surface of this world.
Even the crappiest parts of Antarctica are easier to inhabit than the nicest parts of Mars. That said I still like to go to Mars (Antarctica too).
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Instead of employing a multi-generational ship to settle a distance star system, why not just send genetic material. stored in some fashion. "produce" people subsequent to arrive at a habitable planet. The people would grow to maturity aboard the ship and when ready, descend to the surface.
Instead of employing a multi-generational ship to settle a distance star system, why not just send genetic material. stored in some fashion. "produce" people subsequent to arrive at a habitable planet. The people would grow to maturity aboard the ship and when ready, descend to the surface.
Some basic questions about this approach:
-But whose going to teach, raise and nuture these grown humans? The novel Jurassic Park: The Lost World brings up the point when it comes to the raptors that are created, that as a pack species that has no 'parents' to raise the raptors in how to be a raptor, they quickly become an unstable race. This would apply, perhaps even more so, with humans.
-Who is going to maintain a ship that's going to be in transit for many centuries (an unmanned generational ship is a nice juicy target for entropy)?
He kinda has a point, but believe it or not the link above states that there is many volunteers for such a mission, because basically if would be like the first people who came to America.(which if you think about it makes sense)
By the way that ship didn't really look anything like enterprise, that circle doesn't count.
By the way that ship didn't really look anything like enterprise, that circle doesn't count.
WTF? heavily inspired? whoever made that comment has never seen Trek.
And MY point is that one nitrogen-oxygen rock is as good as another as far as roots are concerned. Unless Cruella's arguing for some kind of mystical connection with the Spirit of Gaia or something, there isn't anything in our natural environment specific enough that it couldn't be replicated, even with an incredibly loose set of tolerances. If we're talking thirty guys on a glorified space shuttle, that's one thing, but a generation ship is designed primarily for habitation in as close to an Earthlike environment as you can arrange. If they're eating real food grown in hydroponic gardens, stock animals raised in biodomes, breathing clean air, living under something that sufficiently resembles sunlight, they won't be missing much; even if they are, they won't be in a position to KNOW that there's anything missing (in point of fact, most of what they're missing are things they could probably do without).
The same as WHAT? Children born on the ship have no idea what Earth-air smells like, they've known only one home their entire lives; the home of their parents is not something they would have any reason to really long for.
That's literally my only point. The volunteers you wouldn't have to worry about, they wouldn't have gotten on the ship in the first place if they were that attached to Earth. Their descendants are a complete non-issue; you can't really feel nostalgic for a place you've never been and have every reason to believe is a less ideal environment than the place you're in now. The only reason they'd want to turn back at all is if something goes horribly wrong with the generation ship on the way out, but that's quite another thing from "The power of Gaia compels me to go back to Earth!"
I understand that, but if you're building something that's supposed to sustain a human population of several hundred people for several hundred years, it sure as hell better be one very large and stable environment. Two hundred people aren't going to build a comfortable society in something that looks like the engine room of a steamship, nor are they going to pull it off in a glorified airliner. It would have to be something QUITE elaborate; picture Babylon 5 with a fusion engine attached to it.
At that level of undertaking, you're sparing no expense anyway, your generation ship is going to have to be a minor planet in and of itself in order to make the journey possible. If you're not going all-out for the program, you might as well just hang out in your own solar system.
I already raised this question before, but I'll raise it again: what possible reason would there be to send that material out into space unless you have some really specific plan for what you expect to find out there? Colonization is the logical conclusion of resource exploration, not the other way around. A generation ship is an effective way of spreading the human population, but it's less than idea for the practical applications involved in colonization, especially interstellar trade.
Well one you can't replicate everyone's exact comfortable climate, I like cold, not everyone does.
[when you breath that air and it doesn't taste the same you will get a small bout of home-sickness.]
What you said below that is what I already pointed out in the surrounding sentences. But trust me you can from smelling the air around you and it being different from what you know can get you homesick.
Now with a generational ship, yes, you wouldn't have to worry about that. But the original people as long as they are alive might, and are likely to describe what the sensation was.
(oh and the spirit thing isn't funny and is a stupid joke)
Trust me we wont just pass up a habital planet just becuase its not 100% or even 80% like earth.
the people on the ship will have curiosity about where the ancestors came from(example: if that weren't the case Ancestry.com wouldn't be here)
One last point, you have to remember I said what will a future ship look like. So you might not need a generational ship, unless you leave the galaxy to populate another galaxy. So please stop thinking modern, you wont need it to be generational, becuase it would be FUTURISTIC.
So what would this future explore ship look like? thats the question, not if a modern generational ship would have people homesick.
[when you breath that air and it doesn't taste the same you will get a small bout of home-sickness.]
What you said below that is what I already pointed out in the surrounding sentences. But trust me you can from smelling the air around you and it being different from what you know can get you homesick.
Now with a generational ship, yes, you wouldn't have to worry about that. But the original people as long as they are alive might, and are likely to describe what the sensation was.
(oh and the spirit thing isn't funny and is a stupid joke)
Trust me we wont just pass up a habital planet just becuase its not 100% or even 80% like earth.
the people on the ship will have curiosity about where the ancestors came from(example: if that weren't the case Ancestry.com wouldn't be here)
One last point, you have to remember I said what will a future ship look like. So you might not need a generational ship, unless you leave the galaxy to populate another galaxy. So please stop thinking modern, you wont need it to be generational, becuase it would be FUTURISTIC.
So what would this future explore ship look like? thats the question, not if a modern generational ship would have people homesick.
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Are you STILL going on about this? It doesn't matter where humans go on Earth, with the exception of Antarctica, perhaps; they are going to thrive because humans evolved here. Go away from here and it's totally hostile to human life, even if you make an artificial environment that can sustain them for a long time. Travelling from A to B across space is not the same as people wandering the Earth until they find somewhere to settle down. It's a prison shuttle with a life sentence. No matter how enthused their forbears are to traverse the void, it's a truly terrible thing to do to your children.
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