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What comes after NX class?

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I didn't say they DEFINITELY looked like that. Just that they probably did.

I suspect that any ships that were constructed by Earth alone (rather than the NX class and its contemporaries, which were made with Vulcan assistance) would look much more primitive, since Earth's technology is far behind the other major races. And besides, ships like that are probably much cheaper and easier to mass-produce, especially in wartime.
 
Daedalus was the bulk of Star Fleet before the NX (according to Enterprise novels) so what do you think comes after the NX class?

Is it Constitution class or is it still to early for that?

I would think so......Constition class ~ Kirk's N.C.C. 1701
 
It's even halfway canon, sort of, kinda.

That is, the biography of "regular universe" Jonathan Archer that we can glimpse in the mirror universe, when the Mirror Archer studies the records found aboard USS Defiant, features the tidbit that the "regular" Archer died just a day after USS Enterprise (of Constitution class, NCC-1701) was launched, in 2245.

However, that bio does not appear on screen for very long - and the bit about Archer dying and the ship being launched is not actually shown to us in the episode... Only some other parts of the bio are visible.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I didn't say they DEFINITELY looked like that. Just that they probably did.

Yeah, but you've given absolutely no reason why they PROBABLY looked like that. If you said they could have looked like that, I wouldn't give you any issue, but they could have looked like anything. And there's no reason they did look like that. People need to move past fan designs from a long time ago and passing them off as the way things need to be.
 
At the birth of federation, Starfleet presumably have a mix of ships designed by the four members, Earth, Vulcan, Andor, Tellar, and for some time operates all those ships, .

We don't know much about Tellarite ships. But vulcan ships are clearly much more advanced that anything earth has, which is only natural as vulcans have been warp capable for centuries : the monasteryof P'Jem was build in the 9th century BC (long before surak, so it wasn't a "logic" monastery) and was in another star system, probably requiering warp (unless they made decades-long travels at relativistic speeds?). Vulcans ships go to warp 7 (only one warp index slower than Kirk's ship), they have shields, tractor beams...

Andorian ships are not as advanced as vulcan ones, but still superior to NX-01.

But, strangely, Kirk's and Picard's enterprises clearly are the grandchildren of NX-01, not of Vulcan or Andorian designs. So the whole question is : what happened ?

My guess :
At the beginning, starfleet kept shipyards in all four systems, each producing ships of the characteristic design lineage of this planet.
But vulcans kept their own fleet (there are still non-starfleet vulcan ships in TNG era) so their fleetyards were not 100% available for starfleet, while Earth's growing shipyards capacity was. Also, with time, it was realized that the terran basic design (with the two warp nacelles) was very versalite, and, once upgraded with vulcan technology, proved very efficient.
So, gradually, the other design lineages were dropped, and the earth-sources design principles were adopted, and finally, ships following human basic layout (but designed with vulcan and other engineers) were built even in the shipyards in other systems.

To answer the initial question, for me, there are at least two intermediate ship classes between NX and constitution.
 
It might also be that two nacelles on pylons is a very generic design - indeed, that's what the Andorian and Tellarite ships seem to be built around, too, even if their pylons are a bit shorter and stubbier and their engines bulkier. Perhaps Earth didn't as much "invent a ship design" as it cobbled together the NX-01 (and, previously, the Intrepid and others) out of a standard selection of tried and true interstellar components or their licensed or unlicensed Terran copies. The only thing really unique and indigenous to Earth would be the saucer-shaped hull, and perhaps Earth did invent something worthwhile there - something that all future Andorian and Tellarite shipwrights adopted, so that the Andorian-designed Miranda class looks closely related to the Earth-designed old Constitution class, despite the typically Andorian engines and typically Vulcan torpedo launchers or whatnot on the Miranda...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I would argue that the Federation ships incorperated designs from all races, and the Daedelus class was the first of this lineage, having been different from previous Earth designs but obviously a pre-curser to TOS designs (of coarse, that is just my opinion, and it contradicts the books in that Daedelus came before or around the same time as NX).

Many have argued that based on the facts that later ships are similar to pre-fed Earth ships, that Earth Starfleet is so similar to the Federation Starfleet, that TOS had many references to Earth being the main planet in Starfleet operations, that Starfleet is human dominated, and that the other races seem to take more different roles later in the shows (Vulcan's seem to be more invloved in the Diplomatic side, as well as the sciences and education, Tellar seems to be big on cargo and frieght service, etc), each planet may have taken a different role in the Federation, and Earth has Starfleet (Having already existed, Starfleet merely changed it's flag from serving only Earth to serving the Federation).

I don't totally agree with this idea but it makes sense.
 
People need to move past fan designs from a long time ago and passing them off as the way things need to be.

How so? Earth's technology is primitive compared to the other races, we've all seen it. So doesn't it make sense that their ship designs would be, as well?

As I said, the NX class was designed with Vulcan help, so it would naturally look more advanced. And we've also seen all the complaining about how the NX-01 looked too advanced for its time...I'm just jumping on that bandwagon. ;)
 
People need to move past fan designs from a long time ago and passing them off as the way things need to be.

How so? Earth's technology is primitive compared to the other races, we've all seen it. So doesn't it make sense that their ship designs would be, as well?

As I said, the NX class was designed with Vulcan help, so it would naturally look more advanced. And we've also seen all the complaining about how the NX-01 looked too advanced for its time...I'm just jumping on that bandwagon. ;)

The Vulcans did not have anything to do with the NX design. They did everything in their power to delay the design and launch for years.

As for the Daedalus class, the Star Trek Encyclopedia (which was written by the same people who worked on TNG, DS9, and Ent, and constantly contradict themselves) places the class being in service during the Earth-Romulan war (2156-2160). That makes the Daedalus class roughly the same age as the NX class. It isn't unimaginable that they were built and operating at the same time. After all, Earth had two other classes operating other than the NX class.

Even if the Daedalus is older than the NX class (as indicated in the novels), it's not hard to believe that class outlived the NX class the help of system upgrade. Just look at the Miranda class. The Miranda class had been in service for a hundred years before the Enterprise E was commissioned.
 
Isn't it possible that experiment classes were named in honor of the NX-Class, which truly was experimental, but considered a regular classa the time of its construction.

In fact, the Drexler refit of the NX class now has its own name: Columbia class.

Archer himself chose that name, since the original Columbia was the first NX-class ship lost in action.
 
^And by the Goldstein's Star Trek Spaceflight Chronology (which was a licensed Trek product, unlike SotSF), the Horizon-class was something totally different.

The recent Federation: The First 150 Years referenced SFC quite a bit. They have the Baton Rouge-class from that book as a contemporary of the Einstein-class (of which the USS Kelvin was a member) in the 2220's.
 
The NX designation is not a new one. Just go to the Air and Space Museum and look at the Spirit of St. Louis and note the civil aviation borads certification number, N-X-211
 
The NX designation is not a new one. Just go to the Air and Space Museum and look at the Spirit of St. Louis and note the civil aviation borads certification number, N-X-211

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