What comes after NX class?

[Sci]

Except that it's explicitly called an NX-class starship -- that is its proper name.

So the proper name of the DS9 hero ship is "Escort-class"? Or that of the Klingon ST3 design "Scout-class"?

Neither of those were called "Escort-class" or "Scout-class." The NX-class was called "NX-class," multiple times. The meaning is clear: The United Earth Starfleet, at least part of the time, used a different naming scheme for its ship classes than the Federation Starfleet later did.

Starfleet may very well refer to the ship as NX-class, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't be a more systematic way of referring to it, too.

And yet there is no evidence that it has any other name.

all I am saying is that UE Starfleet in the 2150s is more likely than not to call the NX class "Enterprise class" as well, because they also speak of "Neptune class", Triton class" and possibly "Daedalus class".

There is no evidence that that is the case. The evidence we have is that the NX-class is called the NX-class, period.

I see no particular reason the Daedalus class can't be akin to the B-52 Stratofortress in that regard.

Especially if Daedalus and Enterprise represent different ship categories altogether - like B-52 and F-117 do.

Well, the thing to remember about the F-117 is, as I understand, that it was really a bomber, but it was deliberately mislabeled as a fighter rather than a bomber in order to attract fighter pilots. Hence it being called the F-117 instead of the B-117.

 

[Timo]

Neither of those were called "Escort-class" or "Scout-class."

But I distinctly sav a scout class wessel - although only for a moment, to be sure...

the thing to remember about the F-117 is, as I understand, that it was really a bomber

Yup - but still far from a "replacement" of B-52, which goes a long way in explaining why one didn't succeed the other in a chronologically orderly fashion...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[mtblillie]

F-117 is more of an "Attack" aircraft like an A-6. The label Fighter was given delibrately but there is no real concensus as to why, at least not that I've heard. I have heard several different "official" soarces on TV and in books say different things, so who knows for sure.

There may be no evidence that the ship wasn't called anything other than NX class, but there is also no evidence to suggest that the Daedelus class was developed before the NX class.

I'm not trying to tell anyone that they shouldn't believe that the Daedelus did come before NX, I'm only saying that it is an opinion. Just like saying NX and Enterprise are both class names of the same ship is an opinion. If that is how you want to think of the classes then that is your choice, and you have every right to it, all I'm saying is that not everyone is going to agree with you, just like not everyone will agree that NX isnt the only name for Enterprise.

The whole point of canon and non-canon is to distinguish what is opinion and what is actually shown to everyone. Not everyone will agree on non-canon information, but everyone at least has to agree that canon information was seen on screen, even if it isn't always consistant (which I will agree it often isn't).

All I'm saying is don't assume that just because a book said Daedelus class came first doesn't mean everyone will agree with that, the books are inconsistant also.

Chekov to Kirk in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock:
"I thought I saw it there, for an instant, a Scout Class Wessel, and then it was gone" (refering to the Cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey)

 

[Sci]

There may be no evidence that the ship wasn't called anything other than NX class, but there is also no evidence to suggest that the Daedelus class was developed before the NX class.

Yes, there is. It's non-canonical, meaning that future canon could contradict it, but there is evidence that the Daedalus-class preceded the NX class. And certainly somebody might decide they're not interested in taking apocryphal stories into consideration. But it's still evidence.

Whereas there is no evidence, from the canon or from the novels, whatsoever, that the NX class was ever called anything other than NX class. To believe that is literally to make information up by yourself.

The whole point of canon and non-canon is to distinguish what is opinion and what is actually shown to everyone.

No, it's not. The point of the concept of canonocity is to determine whether or not the work being produced has the option of contradicting previous canonical installments. New apocryphal stories do not have the option of contradicting previous canonical stories; new canonical stories have the option of contradicting previous canonical stories. That's it.

Chekov to Kirk in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock:
"I thought I saw it there, for an instant, a Scout Class Wessel, and then it was gone" (refering to the Cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey)

Hmm. I'd never noticed that before. Then that means that "Scout-class" is a Federation name for that particular class of bird-of-prey!

 

[Major Chord]

Then that means that "Scout-class" is a Federation name for that particular class of bird-of-prey!

Or, Chekov could have been giving his best estimate as to the size. Considering that the ship was cloaked, and there was no real way to tell which race the ship belonged to, all he had to go by was the visual distortion he saw. Considering that scout vessels are usually small, he simply let it be known that the ship he saw was a small ship by calling it a scout-class.

Same as if I were a sailor on a ship in the pacific that saw a Japanese Yamato class battleship. I could say "Battleship sighted off the port bow!", to give a quick description of the ship to my superiors. That in no way means that my navy classifies Yamato class ships as "Battleship class".

 

[Anwar]

Isn't NX just a term used for any sort of experimental ship? The Defiant had the NX designation as well when it first showed up, didn't it? We don't know what Enterprise's actual ship class was.

 

[Sci]

Isn't NX just a term used for any sort of experimental ship?

The Federation Starfleet used "NX" as a registry for experimental ships, yes. This is presumably in honor of the NX class's contributions to spaceflight.

We don't know what Enterprise's actual ship class was.

Yes, we do. NX class.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Also NX wasn't the only prefix, the Intrepid was NV, it could be argued that it would be NV class, but that is speculation.

Is that based on anything? I'd personally love it to be an NV class because having two Intrepid classes (one Earth, one Starfleet) is a bit confusing.

But I'm pretty sure the hull is blank and this is the patch

I feel they generally leaned towards making the NX-Class refer to the actual class of ship. There doesn't seem to be a Starfleet precedent (not a chronological starfleet precedent, but a show precedent), but there's a precedent in Earth ships (ECS - Civilian freighters) that goes back to the original series. I think Starfleet could have had a naming system that used letters for some ships (like the NX) and names for others. The nature of the Warp 5 project could suggest that the class of ship was named long before Enterprise was even on the drawing board. That's why it gets a special name.

 

[Tom]

The NX-class is a proper name, when refered to on screen the are not saying NX class, they are saying Enex Class. So there you go LOL

 

[mtblillie]

As Star Trek grew in both size and popularity in the 1980s, fans considered how to treat the ever-growing collection of episodes, movies, novels, comics, technical manuals, and more.
The Star Trek canon is generally defined as all live-action television series and feature films released by Paramount Pictures. With the release of Star Trek: The Animated Series on DVD, the studio appears to have changed its stance, and is now listing the cartoon series (aired 1973–1974), as a part of established canon. [1] [2] [3] The various "official" references (such as the Star Trek Encyclopedia or the Star Trek Chronology) may be used as a guide to canon information, but are not canon in and of themselves.
The definition of Star Trek canon may vary for different fans, and therefore for a reference source like Memory Alpha, the question may become especially difficult.
In those cases, the term fanon is used to refer to "fan canon" (of which the term is a portmanteau). It applies to certain "facts" that may have been accepted as a truth by a large number of fans, and thus either replaces an established canonical fact in the minds of those fans, or fills a plot-hole.

A large body of licensed Star Trek works exists that, while approved for publication by Paramount, is not considered part of Star Trek canon. This includes novels, comics, games, and older reference books such as the Star Fleet Technical Manual.

I don't see anything in there about it "having the option of contradicting itself" as an actual definition, that is an opinion. Though I definately agree canon does contradict itself A LOT, and yes I will also agree that novels are less contradictory in most cases and do offer good opinions, but you are missing the point, they are still only opinions. Writers of novels are just fans like you and me, if you were to write a novel about Trek and get it published your ideas would fall under the same category. Saying it is liscensed only means that it was approved by paramount or other owners of the franchise, it doesn't make it true.

I'm not trying to tell anyone that the books are bolognia and should be ignored, I'm just saying that you have to put it into perspective. Novels are based on speculation, and not everyone has to agree that the information is true. It is cool, however when non-canon things or fanon does end up in canon, I love seeing fan designs and ideas being put into production.

As for the "NV" class I will admit I was under the impression that the Intrepid Type was an NV class, but that is fan made. As I understand it, the Intrepid was the only ship of this type that was seen in any episode so it may be the only one...who knows.

 

[A beaker full of death]

NX was the designation for an experimental ship. That's why Excelsior was NX-2000.

 

[Nerys Myk]

NX was the designation for an experimental ship. That's why Excelsior was NX-2000.

That would be for ships in the UFP Starfleet. The United Earth Starfleet doesn't appear to use this.

 

[mtblillie]

Star Trek apparently borrowed from the Navy on registries for Federation Starships, NX is considered to be "Naval Experiment" and NCC is generally "Naval Construction Contract" or it could be "Naval Commission Contract" though I really don't know which if either is true. In truth we don't know how that works because Enterprise and Columbia were the only ships that we know the Registies. It is possible that other ships didn't have registries or at least weren't identified by them. Maybe they were more like a serial number or maybe they had registries like Federation ships, who knows. Since the Enterprise was an experimental ship it is possible that either NX as a prefix was used for expimental ships at the time (though this is unlikely, given that the NX ships started with NX-01, and their name correlates with their registry, or maybe if serial numbers were used instead of registiries NX was common as a prefix, NX-09-12239 vs SS-09-12239 or NCC-09-12239 for example), or it could be that it started the trend in the Federation of using NX to mean expirimental.

Who knows, it's all speculation, I just thought Id through some different ideas out there.

 

[Captain MAJ]

The NZ Class.

This.

My personal belief is that the NX was part of a series of classes. NA class thru NZ.

 

[mtblillie]

The NZ Class.

This.

My personal belief is that the NX was part of a series of classes. NA class thru NZ.

lol then wouldn't it be NY class?

 

[Captain MAJ]

The NZ Class.

This.

My personal belief is that the NX was part of a series of classes. NA class thru NZ.

lol then wouldn't it be NY class?

Yes of course. But naturally the NZ class would also come after the NX class.

 

[USS Excelsior]

Maybe that triangular shape ship in Enterprise is the Deadalus Class, don't know if it would have been given faster engines though.

 

[A beaker full of death]

Star Trek apparently borrowed from the Navy on registries for Federation Starships

Yup.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I thought "NCC" came from the FAA "NC" aircraft registration code. One the producers (Justman?) was a private pilot.

 

[A beaker full of death]

^ Jeffries - and, of course, GR. Good article here: http://www.economicexpert.com/a/NCC:Star:Trek.html