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Once the newspaper article got scanned that said Edith died in a traffic accident, her fate was sealed. She could not come to the future with Kirk, because then there would be no way to ensure that that newspaper article got written. Her dead body had to be there, a result of the traffic accident, for the timeline to be as it was.
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But you WERE there when Zefram Cochrane engaged the first warp drive, Geordi. You WERE there.

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Meanwhile I think it is controversial to like Starfleet Academy because it seems that the entire internet is full of hate against it what I don't understand. I am a critical Trekkie and I don't like everything about Star Trek, f.e. I never liked DISCO, I don't hate it though, I don't hate anything about Star Trek. Anyway, so far I really enjoy watching Starfleet Academy, for me it is refreshing and exciting, something new, no Spock, no Kirk, no Picard, no Pike, new characters, a college story in space.
 
Meanwhile I think it is controversial to like Starfleet Academy because it seems that the entire internet is full of hate against it what I don't understand.

From a “hater”, I watched two episodes and generally found it dull. Finding Prodigy much more entertaining.

a college story in space.

Just something that doesn’t interest me in the slightest.
 
The arrangement was that they'd be returned once they were successful at stopping McCoy changing history.

But removing a living Edith from the past would've had the same effect as her death. The only reason it wasn't an option is because the writers decided it had to be a tragedy. But it's artificially set up to force that outcome.


And does it occur to anyone else that it's ultimately a predestination paradox? Edith wouldn't have been at that spot in the first place if Kirk wasn't taking her to the movies. She wouldn't have moved to cross the street if she wasn't witnessing the reunion of Kirk and McCoy.

Spock had spoken earlier about the "currents of time" that led people to converge at important points. I think the implication was that she would've been crossing that street anyway even if the circumstances had been different.

Anyway, I hate the term "predestination paradox," because it's not actually a paradox. A paradox is something that has no solution because it's self-contradictory. The grandfather paradox is a paradox because it's irresolvable -- if you kill your grandfather so you're never born, then you don't exist to kill your grandfather, so you are born, so you kill him and you aren't born, so you don't kill him and... etc. A predestination loop, where an event causes itself instead of preventing itself, is the opposite -- it's self-consistent because it produces its own outcome. We think of it as paradoxical because it contradicts our assumptions about how causality should work, but those assumptions cease to apply when time travel exists. A self-consistent time loop produces a single mathematically and physically consistent, permissible solution, and thus it does not constitute an actual paradox.
 
Language barriers? Don't you know, by an amazing coincidence everybody in the universe speaks Rigellian, which is exactly the same as English, even down to the lip movements.
Same with Rogash.
sometimes people get it right, but never get to know they did.
Ain't it a bitch.
Marla McGivers' death probably sent him off the deep end.
Short trip for him.
Read 'Starship Troopers' by Robert A. Heinlein

A teacher asked the question: what would the city fathers say of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

And what was the reply? To the question?
"You're making fun of me. Everyone knows Hiroshima was destroyed!"
 
But removing a living Edith from the past would've had the same effect as her death. The only reason it wasn't an option is because the writers decided it had to be a tragedy. But it's artificially set up to force that outcome.
I don't think it's that weird for it to be a situation where they have to fix the problem to make the door open, denying them the easy option of just taking the problem out through the door. It would've been much worse if they just didn't think of it.
 
Except it didn't really require Edith to die. It required Edith no longer to be on Earth after 1930. Couldn't Kirk have just brought her back with him through the Guardian? She was forward-looking enough that she could probably have adapted to the 23rd century at least as well as, say, Gillian Taylor. Although maybe the Guardian wouldn't have allowed that, but the episode didn't specify.
Since Edith's obituary was shown, that made it the only viable option to restore the timeline.

Her nearly falling down the stairs was another indication she had to die in a car accident. Kirk told Spock it wasn't time yet.
 
Read 'Starship Troopers' by Robert A. Heinlein

A teacher asked the question: what would the city fathers say of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

And what was the reply? To the question?

I can't speak for Hiroshima. It was a major city that hadn't been firebombed into ashes like Tokyo or Yokohama. It was a marshalling point for the Japanese Army and would have been destroyed in the coming invasion anyway.

But, in my opinion, Karma spoke for Nagasaki, another city which the Pentagon had marked to not be attacked like Hiroshima.

In the attack on Pearl Harbor, 'Jill' B5N bombers dropped torpedoes that had been specifically modified for the shallow waters there. Much testing and experimentation was done and IJN sources told post-war Allied officers they decided that if they couldn't make them work, they wouldn't attack Pearl Harbor. Normally aerial torpedoes will go deep because they'll dive at an angle into the water like you jumping into the pool before returning to the shallow depth needed to hit a ship's hull. These torpedoes helped trigger a barbaric war whose repercussions still resonate today.

These special torpedoes were modified at the Mitsubishi-Urakami Ordnance Works plant at Kawatana...which is in Nagasaki prefecture.

Karma

 
Meanwhile I think it is controversial to like Starfleet Academy because it seems that the entire internet is full of hate against it what I don't understand. I am a critical Trekkie and I don't like everything about Star Trek, f.e. I never liked DISCO, I don't hate it though, I don't hate anything about Star Trek. Anyway, so far I really enjoy watching Starfleet Academy, for me it is refreshing and exciting, something new, no Spock, no Kirk, no Picard, no Pike, new characters, a college story in space.
I really like it too, and I didn't think I would.
 
Meanwhile I think it is controversial to like Starfleet Academy because it seems that the entire internet is full of hate against it what I don't understand. I am a critical Trekkie and I don't like everything about Star Trek, f.e. I never liked DISCO, I don't hate it though, I don't hate anything about Star Trek. Anyway, so far I really enjoy watching Starfleet Academy, for me it is refreshing and exciting, something new, no Spock, no Kirk, no Picard, no Pike, new characters, a college story in space.

Yeah, I think it’s pretty good so far.
 
Meanwhile I think it is controversial to like Starfleet Academy because it seems that the entire internet is full of hate against it what I don't understand. I am a critical Trekkie and I don't like everything about Star Trek, f.e. I never liked DISCO, I don't hate it though, I don't hate anything about Star Trek. Anyway, so far I really enjoy watching Starfleet Academy, for me it is refreshing and exciting, something new, no Spock, no Kirk, no Picard, no Pike, new characters, a college story in space.
There are elements of SFA I really like
(political makeup of the galaxy recovering from The Burn, trying to get worlds back into the Federation)
and there are elements I just can't stand
(the music, the teen drama, the officers not being professional)
. At least the latest episode helped
address the officers acting more professional (something DISCO was simply incapable of doing)
, so I am hoping that continues. That alone might be enough to elevate this series above DISCO, despite having the other stuff I dislike.

I said before SFA premiered that I just want it to be better than DISCO. I still want that to happen and have that hope.


(Side note: I just realized that what I like and dislike about SFA might be considered a spoiler, even though it's not specific events or such. To be on the safe side, I put them in spoiler tags.)
 
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There are elements of SFA I really like
(political makeup of the galaxy recovering from The Burn, trying to get worlds back into the Federation)
and there are elements I just can't stand
(the music, the teen drama, the officers not being professional)
. At least the latest episode helped
address the officers acting more professional (something DISCO was simply incapable of doing)
, so I am hoping that continues. That alone might be enough to elevate this series above DISCO, despite having the other stuff I dislike.

I said before SFA premiered that I just want it to be better than DISCO. I still want that to happen and have that hope.


(Side note: I just realized that what I like and dislike about SFA might be considered a spoiler, even though it's not specific events or such. To be on the safe side, I put them in spoiler tags.)
My wife asked me what the heck was the Captain's problem with the latest one. Captains have to inspire leadership, not reenact slumber party slouches. She said she wouldn't be able to serve under someone like that.

At this point, it's okay. I'll put it on TV, but the intense interest to follow ever second just isn't there for me with SFA.
 
But removing a living Edith from the past would've had the same effect as her death. The only reason it wasn't an option is because the writers decided it had to be a tragedy. But it's artificially set up to force that outcome.
And the only reason the Guardian couldn't just tell them where McCoy went or send them to the same time to retrieve him was because the story had to be complicated. It's an ancient time portal. It should be more useable. Very forced.
 
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