What civilization/species in Star Trek is, in your opinion, most evil?

[MurphyCooper]

Most evil? The original interpretation of the Borg. They cannot be negotiated with. The Borg should not have a queen, and their origins should be left to mystery to really show that you cannot negotiate them like Janeway did in Voyager, which to me, was nonsensical writing that watered down the Borg.

The Borg are relentless. They will not stop. They will not ever stop.

 

[1001001]

Most evil? The original interpretation of the Borg. They cannot be negotiated with. The Borg should not have a queen, and their origins should be left to mystery to really show that you cannot negotiate them like Janeway did in Voyager, which to me, was nonsensical writing that watered down the Borg.

"Q set a series of events into motion, bringing contact with the Borg much sooner than it should have come. Now, perhaps when you're ready, it might be possible to establish a relationship with them. But for now, for right now, you're just raw material to them".
- Guinan, Q-Who (The first Borg episode)

 

[Farscape One]

"Q set a series of events into motion, bringing contact with the Borg much sooner than it should have come. Now, perhaps when you're ready, it might be possible to establish a relationship with them. But for now, for right now, you're just raw material to them".
- Guinan, Q-Who (The first Borg episode)

The Borg can't be reasoned with, bargained with, or negotiated with. The only relationship you can establish with them is being one of their drones.

(Or if you're a Kazon, you're left alone. Though it can be arguable if being a Kazon is a fate worse than becoming a drone.)

 

[Frontis]

"Q set a series of events into motion, bringing contact with the Borg much sooner than it should have come. Now, perhaps when you're ready, it might be possible to establish a relationship with them. But for now, for right now, you're just raw material to them".
- Guinan, Q-Who (The first Borg episode)

Yes, so maybe Q is even more evil than the Borg, I never liked him

 

[Farscape One]

Yes, so maybe Q is even more evil than the Borg, I never liked him

Q actually did Starfleet a favor. They got to start preparing for the Borg ahead of time.

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, so maybe Q is even more evil than the Borg, I never liked him

He definitely is more evil.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Q actually did Starfleet a favor. They got to start preparing for the Borg ahead of time.

Not really.

The Borg accelerated their timeline of trying to come to the Federation's territory because of Q's stunt making the Federation seem more powerful than they were. And what preparation time they got out of it was hardly enough to make much difference.

 

[Khamsin]

I don't think Q are evil. They are tricksters, a classic embodiment of an archetype as old as time. Chaotic and disruptive, and even destructive at times, but ultimately not malicious.

 

[Farscape One]

Not really.

The Borg accelerated their timeline of trying to come to the Federation's territory because of Q's stunt making the Federation seem more powerful than they were. And what preparation time they got out of it was hardly enough to make much difference.

But it was enough to get the ball rolling to get ready rather than a cube suddenly appearing and actually giving NO time for Starfleet to fight back. Some prep is better than none whatsoever, despite it not being a huge impact on that first Borg attack in "The Best of Both Worlds".

Plus, "The Neutral Zone" establishes that the Borg were already close... just haven't quite gone back. (The way the outposts were destroyed was identical to what the Enterprise scanned in "Q Who".) Wolf 359 was also a massive wake up call.

This also got Starfleet better prepared for other things, as well. Such as the Domimion War. By the time that happened, Starfleet already had new ship designs that were better armored, powered, and equipped to take on threats like the Dominion. We got multiple new ships shown in FIRST CONTACT, which some of those we saw during the Dominion War. It also got Starfleet to think better tactically, as well as get better at fleet movements quickly.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think Q are evil. They are tricksters, a classic embodiment of an archetype as old as time. Chaotic and disruptive, and even destructive at times, but ultimately not malicious.

All those dead people were just a trick?

 

[Farscape One]

All those dead people were just a trick?

Space travel is inherently dangerous. Q reminded Picard of that.

 

[fireproof78]

Space travel is inherently dangerous. Q reminded Picard of that.

That doesn't strike me as non malicious.

 

[Farscape One]

That doesn't strike me as non malicious.

Q didn't get those 18 people killed. Picard did.

As soon as Q left after he pushed them to that sector, Picard asked Guinan for her advice. She said, "If I were you, I'd start back now."

But Picard didn't heed her advice, which sounded grave enough to be considered a warning. Picard was arrogant enough to think he can just explore that area with no possible consequences.

Which was the whole point of the episode: Picard was arrogant and needed to be humbled.

 

[fireproof78]

Q didn't get those 18 people killed. Picard did.

As soon as Q left after he pushed them to that sector, Picard asked Guinan for her advice. She said, "If I were you, I'd start back now."

But Picard didn't heed her advice, which sounded grave enough to be considered a warning. Picard was arrogant enough to think he can just explore that area with no possible consequences.

Which was the whole point of the episode: Picard was arrogant and needed to be humbled.

If I put people in the position to be killed deliberately then I think there is a measure of responsibility. At the least, it's not a trickster move as the original poster I replied to asserted.

 

[Farscape One]

If I put people in the position to be killed deliberately then I think there is a measure of responsibility. At the least, it's not a trickster move as the original poster I replied to asserted.

And my counter is that Q was not malicious, which you inferred he was based on the below post.

That doesn't strike me as non malicious.

So no, I don't consider Q malicious.

Those 18 crew died because Picard was arrogant enough to think he and the ship was ready to encounter amything. He was wrong.

 

[fireproof78]

And my counter is that Q was not malicious, which you inferred he was based on the below post.

To me, the humiliation of Picard by placing them in the situation for people to die is ill will.

 

[Farscape One]

To me, the humiliation of Picard by placing them in the situation for people to die is ill will.

Then by that logic, every Starfleet admiral is malicious and has ill will because they are sending all those crews out into space to potentially die.

 

[fireproof78]

Then by that logic, every Starfleet admiral is malicious and has ill will because they are sending all those crews out into space to potentially die.

Q knows the danger, knows they're ill prepared and is trying to humble Picard. I don't see the admirals doing that.

 

[Farscape One]

Q knows the danger, knows they're ill prepared and is trying to humble Picard. I don't see the admirals doing that.

The admirals arrogantly send them out, having no idea if they are prepared or not, and they DO know space is dangerous.

 

[fireproof78]

The admirals arrogantly send them out, having no idea if they are prepared or not, and they DO know space is dangerous.

They are not looking to humble their captains the way Q is.