What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[cooleddie74]

Well, that's a shame, then.

Anyways.

 

[TomEvans]

Whatever repercussions he was running away from when he and 84 loyal followers chose to sneak away on a sleeper ship rather than face life on Earth after he was defeated or deposed.

As he said, he left Earth because he wanted adventure, seeking a new life and a new world to rule, because Earth had nothing further to offer him; and and his other Eugenics had offered the world order, and it refused.

So he boldly went where no man had gone before, as Earth's first interstellar pioneer.

Nope. When McCoy changed the timeline there was no more history for James Kirk. All of Kirk's as he knew it after Keeler was saved was erased. Apparently nothing of humanity even existed by the 23rd Century

No, the Enterprise simply wasn't in orbit around the planet anymore; no mention of humanity ending.

Kirk did not find any history after the moment of divergence created by McCoy saving Edith.

Then he couldn't say that humanity ended from it.

 

[TomEvans]

Well, that's a shame, then.

Anyways.

The point stands, that the episode was morally bankrupt "Trolley Problem" example where Kirk pulls the switch.

 

[Tallguy]

I had a bad feeling when I saw that the thread had jumped five pages in four hours. Somehow I didn't think it was about Ataris and Amigas.

 

[Farscape One]

That would murder everyone in the new timeline, who wasn't there in the old one.
Just like Janeway did in "Endgame."



Which shows the moral breakdown of the episode, by Playing God to decide who lives and who dies.



Those writings were erased when McCoy changed the timeline. The Guardian didn't hand out licenses to kill.

Admiral Janeway willingly altered the timeline and undid those 30+ years.

Kirk went back to restore history.

Janeway was selfish. Kirk was doing his duty. Big difference between those situations.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I had a bad feeling when I saw that the thread had jumped five pages in four hours. Somehow I didn't think it was about Ataris and Amigas.

My controversial Amiga opinion is that I'm glad that TNG's visual effects weren't ever rendered on Amigas, especially now that we can see those beautiful detailed physical models in HD. But I'm glad that Babylon 5's were.

 

[Set Harth]

The entirety of the franchise disagrees with you. From "Mirror, Mirror" to CBS retreading "Mirror, Mirror".

Not to mention the whole "Kelvin" thing...

 

[Christopher]

He didn't HAVE to do anything other than restore history. The story required she die so that the Star Trek universe would happen and they'd all exist.

Except it didn't really require Edith to die. It required Edith no longer to be on Earth after 1930. Couldn't Kirk have just brought her back with him through the Guardian? She was forward-looking enough that she could probably have adapted to the 23rd century at least as well as, say, Gillian Taylor. Although maybe the Guardian wouldn't have allowed that, but the episode didn't specify.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Couldn't Kirk have just brought her back with him through the Guardian?

The arrangement was that they'd be returned once they were successful at stopping McCoy changing history.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Except it didn't really require Edith to die. It required Edith no longer to be on Earth after 1930. Couldn't Kirk have just brought her back with him through the Guardian? She was forward-looking enough that she could probably have adapted to the 23rd century at least as well as, say, Gillian Taylor. Although maybe the Guardian wouldn't have allowed that, but the episode didn't specify.

I don't think you get to bring back souvenirs.

 

[cooleddie74]

The episode would have let them bring her back if that had been in the mind of the writers. In 1967 pulling a Gillian Taylor wasn't on the writer's mind. Neither Harlan nor any of the people who took his original story and changed it. She was going to die, and had to die.

 

[XCV330]

Khan was a totalitarian thug. He saved us by running away from Earth.

and taking the new audio drama as canon

Spoiler

he was an idiot, too

A punk ass clown who decided to avoid the repercussions of being a dictator in some of the bloodiest wars in history by fleeing into outer space and hoping no one could follow him. Khan was called out even by the 22nd century Augments in ENT who said he fled when he should have stood up for himself and his people.

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I always get disturbed seeing Data and Paul Atreides getting into a verbal disagreement. I watched too much sci fi in the early 00's.

there are 1510 pages of the what are your controversial star trek opinions thread

a somewhat major milestone lol

have you heard the Good News of Brian Brophy? It's another testament of Star Trek

I had a bad feeling when I saw that the thread had jumped five pages in four hours. Somehow I didn't think it was about Ataris and Amigas.

I was all geared up for that.. You see.. the Atari ST is superior because of its addition out of the box of MIDI support.. Gene Roddenberry I mean Jack Tramiel's glorious vision.. was that each of us..

Except it didn't really require Edith to die. It required Edith no longer to be on Earth after 1930. Couldn't Kirk have just brought her back with him through the Guardian? She was forward-looking enough that she could probably have adapted to the 23rd century at least as well as, say, Gillian Taylor. Although maybe the Guardian wouldn't have allowed that, but the episode didn't specify.

I will never see this episode the same way again.

I don't think you get to bring back souvenirs.

except when you do

 

[Nerys Myk]

and taking the new audio drama as canon

Spoiler

he was an idiot, too

I always get disturbed seeing Data and Paul Atreides getting into a verbal disagreement. I watched too much sci fi in the early 00's.

have you heard the Good News of Brian Brophy? It's another testament of Star Trek


I was all geared up for that.. You see.. the Atari ST is superior because of its addition out of the box of MIDI support.. Gene Roddenberry I mean Jack Tramiel's glorious vision.. was that each of us..


I will never see this episode the same way again.


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except when you do

Not on a GOF trip.

 

[XCV330]

Not on a GOF trip.

fine. be that way

 

[cooleddie74]

"Fix what was broken and I'll bring all three of you back home."

That was the episode. Pick up a hitchhiker who isn't from your own time wasn't part of it.

 

[XCV330]

and it being written by Harlan Ellison, that ending would have went all dark too, like they smuggled her out but she experienced every second of the journey for hundreds of years until she mercifully lost her mind somewhere along the way and had to be euthanized.

 

[BillJ]

The kids show (Prodigy) has ended up being the most interesting CBS Trek.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

She would have been killed by the trip back. Kirk would either grab empty air as she vaporized before his eyes, or she'd die on the planet and he'd have to bury her there, a long way from home in both distance and time.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Once the newspaper article got scanned that said Edith died in a traffic accident, her fate was sealed. She could not come to the future with Kirk, because then there would be no way to ensure that that newspaper article got written. Her dead body had to be there, a result of the traffic accident, for the timeline to be as it was.

 

[Turtletrekker]

And does it occur to anyone else that it's ultimately a predestination paradox? Edith wouldn't have been at that spot in the first place if Kirk wasn't taking her to the movies. She wouldn't have moved to cross the street if she wasn't witnessing the reunion of Kirk and McCoy.