How can one be delusional about their personal preferences?
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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One episode of TOS that could've been perfectly translated into the '80s is "A Taste of Armageddon". Two planets that treat war like it's a video game! Then Kirk comes in and says, "Now it's not a game. Now it's real!" Their cities, their civilization, their planet really would be destroyed.
The thing to remember about Code of Honor is the writer wanted them to cast Asians rather than black people. And when she got the opportunity to write for Stargate SG-1, she basically did the same story again, but with Mongols.
So the script was a misbegotten, racist piece of trash too. It was just based in "barbarous orient" stereotypes rather than being about black lasciviousness.
So the script was a misbegotten, racist piece of trash too. It was just based in "barbarous orient" stereotypes rather than being about black lasciviousness.
So, did the script change or just the actors? Did they say "Oh, we didn't cast Asians we cast Black actors. Quick, stop making them inscrutable and make them... Polyamorous where the women hold the property?" (Is that an African thing?)
I already said how in the same, brief, reply. I’ll say again because I’d like you to actually answer my question, because I actually do want to know. But saying something isn’t the worst episode of a series when there isn’t a worse episode than it, is not an opinion. It’s just wrong. Ergo, delusion. You can still like a worst episode of something, but that doesn’t make it not the worst. So, if there are actually episodes you find worse than those, please say which.
I mentioned this in a thread about Generations, but I think they were constrained by the launch of UPN in January of 1995, and wanting Generations in theaters to help promote Star Trek as a franchise, since Voyager was going to be UPN's flagship show.
You aren't gonna say TATV is not the worse episode of ENT?Controversial Opinion:
The "legendary worst episodes" of Trek almost never are.
Spock's Brain is not the worst episode of TOS.
Shades of Gray is not the worst episode of TNG.
Move Along Home is not the worst episode of DS9.
Threshold is not the worst episode of VOY.
Not a hard and fast rule. Note that I said "almost never".
Yeah, there's only one episode in the Xindi Arc worse than "Extinction." "Harbinger."
I think "EXTINCTION" qualifies as the third worst of ENT... definitely between third and fifth worst.
To me, TNG's "Shades of Grey" is a low point for the franchise as a whole. I understand it was an accepted practice in the 1980s to do a "clip show" as an episode, and the reason they did it was budgetary too. But come on.
Are you telling me in that entire writer's room no one could come up with an idea where you strip it down to the bare minimum of effects with a story set in the Star Trek universe? Some of the best episodes didn't need space battles or VFX. It was just a bunch of characters in a room dealing with a problem.
Are you telling me in that entire writer's room no one could come up with an idea where you strip it down to the bare minimum of effects with a story set in the Star Trek universe? Some of the best episodes didn't need space battles or VFX. It was just a bunch of characters in a room dealing with a problem.
Budget wasn't the only hurdle "Shades Of Gray" had... they only had 3 days to shoot the episode. The usual shooting days for an episode was 7. Even using minimal sets, that's a very hard ask. (For comparison context, "Where Silence Has Lease" had 5 days of shooting on the bridge... and 90% of that episode was on the bridge.) A clip show format was the only alternative for them to be on time and within the very limited remaining budget.
The story itself isn't bad, and the planet set was fantastic. Plus it kept the overall theme of season 2 (at least, it feels like the theme of season 2)... space is dangerous.
“Shades of Gray” I’m more forgiving of for having been a misstep early on in Trek, when it was still re-finding itself on TV and dealing with productions issues. Even so, it’s some of the best parts of previous episodes.
I mean it’s kind of a non-episode.
“Force of Nature,” “Bloodlines,” “Emergence,” “Aquiel,” “Interface,” “Sub. Rosa.” …I am less forgiving of.
I mean it’s kind of a non-episode.
“Force of Nature,” “Bloodlines,” “Emergence,” “Aquiel,” “Interface,” “Sub. Rosa.” …I am less forgiving of.
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"Aquiel" just sucks. It's only contribution to the world is the Geordi "not this"/"yes, that" meme format.
Why do you think I stopped listing at VOY?
The original statement was my opinion. It was never an attempt at some objective truth. In my opinion, there are worse eps of each of the series than the eps I referenced. If I tell you the eps I personally find worse, what actual difference does that make?
I'm not asking for objective truth. Heck, if any one of us could conjure that I wouldn't need to ask of it from you.Why do you think I stopped listing at VOY?
The original statement was my opinion. It was never an attempt at some objective truth. In my opinion, there are worse eps of each of the series than the eps I referenced. If I tell you the eps I personally find worse, what actual difference does that make?
I'm asking you in your opinion which episodes you find worse because this is a fan board and that's what one does in such a place; it's fun.
Plus, I mean, why do you think they're not the worst? Do you have ones in mind that actually are or are you just tired of people pointing out that they're the worst (for them)?
And I probably would have replied immediately, but "Prove it" put me on the back foot, and mentions of potentially being delusional didn't help.
The Alternative Factor/And the Children Shall Lead, Code of Honor/Man of the People, Meridian*/The Muse*, Macrocosm/Demon. These may not be my worsts either, but I dislike them more than my previous list.
So fun.
*I don't mind the B-plot, but the A plot is torturous.
The Alternative Factor/And the Children Shall Lead, Code of Honor/Man of the People, Meridian*/The Muse*, Macrocosm/Demon. These may not be my worsts either, but I dislike them more than my previous list.
So fun.
*I don't mind the B-plot, but the A plot is torturous.
"The Cage" = Windows 1 --> The very first version. Very rough.
"Where No Man Has Gone Before" = Windows 2 --> They made some refinements.
TOS = Windows 3 --> This is the first version Average Joe is familiar with.
TMP = Windows 95 --> Took everything to a new level.
TWOK-TUC = Windows 98 --> Worked out the kinks from before.
TNG Seasons 1-2 = Windows ME --> Lots of bugs.
TNG Season 3 through ENT = Windows XP --> Became the new standard. Then stuck around, stuck around, and stuck around. It refused to die after it was long past time. Each new series is a new Service Pack.
Kelvin Films = macOS --> It's Apple! Plus, they were made during the Paramount/CBS Split. So, during this time, Paramount was like Apple, and CBS was like a PC.
DSC and PIC Seasons 1-2 = Windows Vista --> Very divisive and the people who hated it were very loud about it.
SNW and PIC Season 3 = Windows 7 --> They tried to make a version that would be better received. Some people still stubbornly stick to XP.
SFA and other Upcoming Projects = Windows 8 --> A lot of people will be like, "What the Hell is THIS?!?!!!" I'm calling it now.
"Where No Man Has Gone Before" = Windows 2 --> They made some refinements.
TOS = Windows 3 --> This is the first version Average Joe is familiar with.
TMP = Windows 95 --> Took everything to a new level.
TWOK-TUC = Windows 98 --> Worked out the kinks from before.
TNG Seasons 1-2 = Windows ME --> Lots of bugs.
TNG Season 3 through ENT = Windows XP --> Became the new standard. Then stuck around, stuck around, and stuck around. It refused to die after it was long past time. Each new series is a new Service Pack.
Kelvin Films = macOS --> It's Apple! Plus, they were made during the Paramount/CBS Split. So, during this time, Paramount was like Apple, and CBS was like a PC.
DSC and PIC Seasons 1-2 = Windows Vista --> Very divisive and the people who hated it were very loud about it.
SNW and PIC Season 3 = Windows 7 --> They tried to make a version that would be better received. Some people still stubbornly stick to XP.
SFA and other Upcoming Projects = Windows 8 --> A lot of people will be like, "What the Hell is THIS?!?!!!" I'm calling it now.
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Where the hell is the damn start button?
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