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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

I think we all agree that Star Trek began in 1966.

"No it didn't! It began in 1964!"

That person would not be wrong. :p

Don't fight, you are BOTH wrong. Everybody knows that real Star Trek only really started in 1979, when Gene's Vision(tm) of a pure , evolved humanity, free from any character conflict or negative aspects but with lots of causal sex which he had fromd ay one, wasn't held back and tainted by the network anymore.
Everything vefore that (and, also everything after TNG) is obviously canon discontinuity and not real Star Trek.

(just to be clear. This is a joke, I'm not serious)
 
Reno: Much as I like her, if we saw her more regularly (unlikely because the actress has other commitments), they'd have to flesh her out more beyond funny quips.
 
the secondary characters of Weyoun, Dukat, Garak, Martok etc on DS9, were better than any character on Enterprise,
better than troi , wesley and geordi on TNG
Better than Kim, Kes and Neilix in voyager

best not mention Lower decks, discovery and Picard for fear of upsetting too many.
*yawns*
 
Controversial opinion thread.

Also, the characters listed had much more opportunity to be presented in various ways. Stargate did similar things.

I don't want DS9 or Stargate again. I had them already.
 
the secondary characters of Weyoun, Dukat, Garak, Martok etc on DS9, were better than any character on Enterprise,

I'd put Shran up against this list.

Now, I can't suggest any other Enterprises characters, but....

Of course, how manny reoccurring guest stars did Enterprise have?
 
the secondary characters of Weyoun, Dukat, Garak, Martok etc on DS9, were better than any character on Enterprise,
better than troi , wesley and geordi on TNG
Better than Kim, Kes and Neilix in voyager

best not mention Lower decks, discovery and Picard for fear of upsetting too many.
DS9 isn't the Underdog on TrekBBS. Just the opposite, in fact. You're not punching up, you're punching down. That puts different dynamics in play.

At least with DSC and PIC, I'm punching up.
 
But life is a buffet, old chum!

Apologies to Liza Minnelli.
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DS9 isn't the Underdog on TrekBBS. Just the opposite, in fact. You're not punching up, you're punching down. That puts different dynamics in play.

At least with DSC and PIC, I'm punching up.
People keep talking up DS9 like it some how needs it...I apparently missed the days when DS9 needed defending.
 
Overall, I like TAS better than DS9.

It's not that there aren't good episodes of DS9. There are, such as "Homefront", "Paradise Lost," "Far Beyond the Stars," and "Trials and Tribble-ations," just to name several.

But I find most episodes of DS9, about 90% of them give or take, to be plodding and boring, far more boring than even the worst of TAS. Plus, there are some standout episodes in TAS, such as "Beyond the Farthest Star," "Yesteryear," and "One of Our Planets Is Missing."
 
Trek celebrates virtues like honor and courage and self-sacrifice.
Trek values devotion to family.

Hardly conservative-specific values...

Most Trek characters carry and use weapons, which pleases the 2A crowd. There's no indication that personal arms are restricted.

Not among the pseudo-military, sure. Plus, those weapons have a stun setting...

The Federation is similar in nature to the USA, not in terms of capitalism but in terms of valuing individual freedom and individual rights.

Hardly USA-specific values...in fact in many ways other countries do better in this regard. Just try and get drugs and a prostitute in America, complains the tourist from Amsterdam...

Trek condemns doing evil in the name of the "greater good", a popular pastime of totalitarian regimes like the USSR and Nazi Germany.

Yes, we all hate nazis.

Trek values EQUAL rights for all.

Again, very much not conservative-specific.

The only thing I've seen in the conservative mainstream (not those imbeciles in white nightgowns) are opposition to illegal immigration. Quite simply, sneaking over the border is a crime. And, expecting people to enter our country legally or not at all is not racism.

But when the party that's supposed to represent conservative views makes legal immigration virtually impossible (specifically from Mexico, South and Central America and Muslim majority countries), demonizes caravans of asylum seekers, separates kids from their families, defunds the border patrol while advocating a big wall, gets caught sterilizing people in camps, elect some one who called Mexicans rapists in his campaign announcement...at a certain point it's hard not to consider conservatives guilty by association no matter how not racist they may be personally.

Who knows?

I don't think there's anything everyone agree with anymore.

Maybe there never was.

:shrug:

Certainly we can all still agree that Tig Nitaro is always cool???????

I don't really care for Reno all that much.

Never mind...

He doesn't. He paints all conservatives with the same brush. And it's not a pretty brush.

As a Canadian looking in from the outside, seeing conservative politicians and pundits arguing against climate change and health care and enabling the kind of thing we saw at your capital building...I find it hard to blame him.

the secondary characters of Weyoun, Dukat, Garak, Martok etc on DS9, were better than any character on Enterprise,
better than troi , wesley and geordi on TNG
Better than Kim, Kes and Neilix in voyager

best not mention Lower decks, discovery and Picard for fear of upsetting too many.

Is this controversial?

Overall, I like TAS better than DS9.

It's not that there aren't good episodes of DS9. There are, such as "Homefront", "Paradise Lost," "Far Beyond the Stars," and "Trials and Tribble-ations," just to name several.

But I find most episodes of DS9, about 90% of them give or take, to be plodding and boring, far more boring than even the worst of TAS. Plus, there are some standout episodes in TAS, such as "Beyond the Farthest Star," "Yesteryear," and "One of Our Planets Is Missing."

I like TAS, but find it ironically the least animated of all the Star Trek shows.
 
I like DS9 just fine, but outside of the context of a marathon it's no fun to watch. Its strength, that it is highly serialised, is also its weakness in that episodes don't carry impact when watched in isolation. Yes, there are many episodes which don't contribute to the main arc of the show, but I tend to find these ones too inconsequential due to the weight of the larger story that surrounds them.

For this reason, my controversial opinion is that I'd be far more likely to reach for Voyager than DS9 if I wanted to tootle away just under an hour watching Trek and that in this respect, I think Voyager is a stronger show overall.
 
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