What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Vale

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    Classic series expanded universe :whistle:

    You forgot "Tomb of the Cybermen" :wtf:

    I'd say especially post-2005 Doctor Who. They had every opportunity and the budget to back it up, and totally squandered it. When even Neil Gaiman can't do anything with them you know they've got conceptual issues – "Nightmare in Silver" must be the worst thing he's written in over twenty years. And honestly (and to link this back to Star Trek) I think the Borg might have something to do with that, because they rather stole the Cybermen's thunder in the "body horror" and "dehumanising" aspects, since they ran with those concepts to their logical conclusion; now there's nowhere interesting for the Cybermen to go with those now that won't leave the general viewing public, the not-we, thinking that they're knock-off Borg.
     
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  3. Richard S. Ta

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    I did not. Quite aside from the fact that the Cybermen’s plan makes no sense at all, the story itself comes over as a racist piece of crap. It’s very stylish with a few iconic moments but I can’t stand it as a whole.

    Maybe we should take this to DM? :beer:
     
  4. Nyotarules

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    Only SNW Pike can distract me:adore:
     
  5. Orphalesion

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    That is *not* a controversial opinion :adore:
     
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  6. 1001001

    1001001 Ready for the Laughing Gas Moderator

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    With his Johnny Bravo haircut?

    :shrug:
     
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  7. cooleddie74

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    That's not a haircut. That's a stairway to other galaxies.
     
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  8. Ragitsu

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    "Move Along Home" is one of the weaker Season 1 episodes of Deep Dish Nine, but...it isn't "godawful beyond the pale" bad.
     
  9. Vale

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    There's a shirt you can get for that.

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  10. Farscape One

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    I'll take it a step further... "MOVE ALONG HOME" is a good episode for multiple reasons, not the least of which being Quark truly began his turn here.

    (And yes, I truly love the episode, and I have defended it more than any other episode in the franchise, with "Masks" being a close second. I even took my debate to a DragonCon panel.)
     
  11. cooleddie74

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    It's better than any episode of the franchise with an Irish village in a holodeck form. At least DS9 Season 1 cheese is edible if you hold your nose.
     
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  12. Oddish

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    Here's some controversy for you...
    In many ways, the Before and After timeline... was actually better than the Voyager timeline we got.
    Yes, Janeway died, that was awful (she may well be my favorite trek captain, so I don't make the statement above lightly). But her loss, and B'Elanna's, allowed the remaining characters to do something the original timeline forbade them to... evolve.
    * Kes lived the life she was meant to live, becoming a healer, a wife, a mother, a grandmother, and facing the end. And while we didn't get to see it, I'll bet she cherished every moment.
    * Tom went through love, the devastation of losing that love, and the arduous task of putting himself back together and learning to love again.
    * The EMH was allowed to not only evolve as he did, but to both adopt a name and even a bit of vanity.
    * Chakotay and Neelix faced new challenges and took on new responsibilities, Chakotay as Voyager's captain and Neelix as Starfleet's first Talaxian. Though now acting first officer, Tuvok showed less change, but with his age and training, he is a character who should be static.
    * And yes, I'm even fine with Harry and Linnis... we've seen three people with human lifespan romancing Ocampa, and all were honorable men. I can take it on faith that no exploitation happened.
    * And because it's me... everyone had the rank they should have had at that point in time.
     
  13. 1001001

    1001001 Ready for the Laughing Gas Moderator

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    Move Along Home is a dumpster fire.
     
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  14. Ragitsu

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    It features some interesting ideas (such as the Wadi's cultural emphasis on gaming), but the overall execution was botched. Really, the only thing that could have saved it as is would be Sisko wearing a pink tutu while he sings and skips along.

    Exothermic reactions are useful.
     
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  15. Oddish

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    Avery Brooks would agree with you.
    It did have one redeeming feature, in that it inverted the rather tired "game where if you lose you die" trope: no one was in actual danger.

    EDIT: Really, the only thing that could have saved it as is would be Sisko wearing a pink tutu while he sings and skips along.

    I'd like to watch you make THAT suggestion to Avery Brooks. :lol:
     
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  16. cooleddie74

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    It's a shame it was so bad. It was probably the most TOS episode of the series other than "Trials and Tribble-ations."
     
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  17. Ragitsu

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    What about the episode with the disappearing planet? Not quite?
     
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  18. cooleddie74

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    "Meridian" had some elements of that but it's so bland and uninteresting outside the basic concept and Jeffrey Combs it's one of those I easily skip when I rewatch episodes.
     
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  19. Oddish

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    Definitely some elements.
    * Legendary world with powerful tech.
    * Major social problem with relevant message for us.
    * Society comes crashing down and must adopt Federation societal norms.
     
  20. PCz911

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    We’re they really made of marshmallows ?