What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. KamenRiderBlade

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    They did mention that control over the space above AR 558 was hotly contested and constantly shifted based on who can maintain current control.

    The USS Defiant had to temporarily retreat.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    Unfortunately, Starfleet demonstrates a largely reactionary attitude towards tactics. Given Riker's dismissive attitude towards practicing starship tactics it makes me skeptical of how much effort Starfleet would put in to actual tactics. It's one thing to be familiar with a weapon and make effective use of it. A phaser, with no real recoil, would take moderate practice to get the hang of but actual tactics against an opponent? They seem reluctant to practice them.
     
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  3. Farscape One

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    Remember...

    "Starfleet is not a military organization. It's purpose is exploration."
    Captain Picard, "Peak Performance"

    :techman::techman:
     
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  4. Oddish

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    Is that why it never upgrades the weapons on its starships in 200 years?
     
  5. Farscape One

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    I think Starfleet's weapons are more powerful each decade.
     
  6. cooleddie74

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    The pulse cannons on the Franklin and 90 years later the Shenzhou were probably significantly more powerful than the pulse cannons on Enterprise NX-01.
     
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  7. Oddish

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    More powerful, but the same basic technology. Like 24- and 36-pound cannons instead of 6- and 9-pounders. As opposed to going from muzzle loading cannons to breach-loading artillery to cruise missiles and railguns.

    Starfleet weapon set in 2153: Phase cannons (basically phasers) and photon torpedoes.
    Starfleet weapon set in 2260: Phasers and photon torpedioes.
    Starfleet weapon set in 2364: Yup, STILL phasers and photon torpedoes.
     
  8. KamenRiderBlade

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    They just updated the Effective Photon Torpedo Yields & wattage outputed by each phaser beam.
     
  9. Paul755

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    They did introduce Quantum Torpedos by the time we got to the war.
     
  10. Oddish

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    You quoted the second part of my post. Read the first; it addresses that.
     
  11. Vanyel

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    They've also updated shield capabilities and added ablative armor. Speed and mobility of ships. Phaser strips instead of cannons or what ever type of emitters used before strips. Now they've gone back to phaser cannons. A beam weapon that can keep a lock and fire on an enemy ship is better than what they had before. What comes after direct energy weapons? They should have heavy graviton beams, like Geordi mentioned in BoBW. They were projected at 18 months. They should be around now. Perhaps phasers became a generic term like cannon or gun, The Enterprise E's phasers could be heavy graviton beams. Just my $0.02.
     
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  12. F. King Daniel

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    None of that phaser/torpedo yield nonsense means anything. Photons are meant to be infinitely more powerful than nukes, but they're never ever depicted as such. Kirk and friends walked away from a photon torpedo in STV. There are probably similar examples in other Treks.

    And across every era and show, they work exactly the same way. You could argue they haven't changed a bit.
     
  13. Farscape One

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    They have changed a great deal.

    Just look at the colors...

    :)
     
  14. KamenRiderBlade

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    Don't forget that Shields / Defenses has increased over time as well.

    What gives Nukes alot of it's power is the Atmosphere that it detonates in and suddenly expands, compresses, and creates a huge shockwave in. Then there's the radioactive fall out and spread.

    The same with photon torpedoes or any other massive explosive in atmosphere.

    That Compressed Air Shockwave does a HUGE amount of the damage just by compressing the air near it and sending it outwards.

    In space, when you have no medium to compress other than the raw energy itself, the effects are lower unless it's detonated near other solid material or shields.
     
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    The "iconic monster maroon" uniforms are fussy, overpraised, and not that good.
     
  16. trekfan_1

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    The Enterprise E is an ugly ship. Enterprise D felt like a ship of exploration . E was too militaristic and looks like it was on steroids . I DON'T like how the deflecter dish/ star drive section connects to the saucer.(including the lack of a neck). Its also too horizontal looking .

    I dont mind the occasional "Bad ass" looking design, but the flagship should exemplify the peaceful outlook of what the Federation stands for
     
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  17. Vale

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    We don't know the Enterprise-E was the Federation flagship though. Up until an SNW retcon the only Enterprise ever explicitly referred to as such on screen was the Enterprise-D.
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    And the Kelvin Enterprise.
     
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  19. F. King Daniel

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    And the NX-Enterprise before it
     
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  20. CorporalCaptain

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    IIRC, that was referred to as the "Terran flagship," not the "Federation flagship."