What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

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  1. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    If I'm having a great time watching it, I really don't care in the slightest what boxes are getting checked on someone's list of what does or doesn't constitute good Star Trek. :lol:
     
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  2. fireproof78

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    LD has good characters, specifically Mariner. The canon aspects are a bit eye rolling but I can roll with it most times. Comedy is hit and miss.

    In other words, it's a Star Trek show.
     
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  3. Vger23

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    @Vger23 's checklist of important things that make a show or movie "good" Star Trek:

    #1: I was entertained
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    #2: See #1 Plz
     
  4. Annorax849

    Annorax849 Commander Red Shirt

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    Much like Star Wars, it depends a lot on what generation of fan you're asking. In general TOS, TNG, and DS9 are definitely the most well liked. Opinions get more mixed after that.
     
  5. dupersuper

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    On every thread that eventually gets to the "list Trek shows in order of preference" stage, those three are always tied for first place on my list.
     
  6. Oddish

    Oddish Rear Admiral Fleet Captain

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    And even the B-list series have A-list episodes. If I had to choose between "Year of Hell" and "Sub Rosa", or "Dead Stop" and "Profit and Lace"... easy choice, right?
     
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  7. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Lower Decks really is Star Trek: Fanwank Explosion. Continuity porn and references for the sake of references. But that's okay cos it's fun. And hardcore Trekkies are literally the target audience.
     
  8. Oddish

    Oddish Rear Admiral Fleet Captain

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    The best parodies are done by someone who knows and genuinely loves the original subject matter.
     
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  9. cooleddie74

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    Fanwank is okay if it's clever and well-written fanwank.
     
  10. Farscape One

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    Agreed.

    It would be interesting to see how well the best of each show fares against the best of others.

    Some examples...
    "The Inner Light" vs "THE VISITOR"

    "THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER" vs "IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT"

    "BALANCE OF TERROR" vs "LIVING WITNESS"

    "Yesterday's Enterprise" vs "YEAR OF HELL"

    "ERRAND OF MERCY" vs "UNITED"


    Or perhaps a more interesting experiment... the worst against the worst.

    "AND THE CHILDREN SHALL LEAD" vs "PROFIT AND LACE"

    "Sub Rosa" vs "FALSE PROFITS"

    "SPOCK'S BRAIN" vs "ACQUISITION"

    "Rascals" vs "TWISTED"

    "Aquiel"
    vs "THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOAK"
     
  11. Oddish

    Oddish Rear Admiral Fleet Captain

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    Worst against the worst will have more diverse results, I think. Some of those episodes might have people who liked them. I enjoyed Twisted, for instance, and thought Acquiel was decent (though its status quo maintaining ending seemed a bit too convenient).
     
  12. cooleddie74

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    "Acquisition(ENT)" isn't even close to the worst for its series but I will watch it over seven of the other episodes mentioned in that category. ;)
     
  13. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Commodore Commodore

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    Which Lower Decks IS, in my opinion.

    Though I still say it can be enjoyed as a straight forward Star Trek show as well, on account of how well the characters are written.
     
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  14. cooleddie74

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    Yep, and it's just plain fun. It's lovingly reverent of the rest of the franchise, has witty characters and knows how to be both Star Trek AND a comedy. Even dramatic Star Trek isn't always great at being dramatic Star Trek.
     
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  15. plynch

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    You're making me want to watch more LD now. Saw two; didn't like it.
     
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  16. Farscape One

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    I agree "ACQUISITION" isn't the worst, but it's definitely very bottom tier for me.

    Okay... what about "PRECIOUS CARGO" instead?

    (I was tempted, before and now, to put "THESE ARE THE VOYAGES...", but I despise that one so badly it would not be fair to the other episodes.)
     
  17. Farscape One

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    LOWER DECKS is really, really good.

    I will agree that the first couple episodes, the humor might take a bit of getting used to. But it definitely shines brighter as the season progresses.

    Between that, DISCOVERY, and PICARD, I'm actually looking more forward to LOWER DECKS returning than the others. And I do really enjoy the others.
     
  18. cooleddie74

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    "Precious Cargo(ENT)" isn't just bottom tier, it's so low even the Mole People are complaining how much the episode sucks. :p
     
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  19. Farscape One

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    Makes my list a little more fun to figure out, eh?

    :) :)
     
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  20. fireproof78

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    I mean, some have posted that the first two didn't land well for the comedy and it only improves from there.