What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Yeah, TFF has almost no dynamic shots of spacecraft in motion and many shots look so one-dimensional. The shuttlecraft scenes in the film are the best sequences of a spacecraft in motion.

 

So I’ve heard.

ETA I thought you meant TOS. Never mind.

 

No wonder so many shots of the Enterprise looked slightly better than stop-motion paper cutouts.

 

And the scene still strained credulity with no emergency landing plan.

 

On the subject of TFF, I really appreciated that Sybok was an antagonist, but not a villain in any sense of the term.

 

I think The Motion Picture was one of the best of the original cast movies.

 

I think the TOS movies have better defined themes than the ones afterward. Or at least, were presented better.


TMP: Seeking out new life.
TWOK: Dealing with older age.
TSFS: Sacrifice for those we love.
TVH: Facing the music together.
TFF: Brotherhood.
TUC: Letting go of past hatred.

 

I agree with your entire list

TUC is my second favourite.

 

GEN: The passing of the torch.
FC: One man's desire for revenge.
INS: The needs of the many vs. the rights of the few.
NEM: Uhhh... I don't know.

 

That's one of the ways in which TFF shines. Sybok is misguided but not evil, and his genuine and heartfelt regret right before he dies is touching.

 

Eh. It's Star Trek. If it doesn't half-ass some emergency lifesaving scene it won't be Star Trek. The whole Red Angel Suit and Discovery escape into the future through the temporal rift while the Enterprise provides fire and cover is no less contrived and even it works. The shuttlecraft crash landing is momentarily exciting even if the resolution is invented out of the blue.

 

I get that. But Chekov's question of Plan B just annoyed me.

 

Bligh was not really much of a disciplinarian. His record in that regard is not very different from any other captain, and in other ways he was very progressive, such as his attention to sailors' health and exercise. He did have a habit of blowing up at his officers and using foul language (apparently even by standards of the times, he was reprimanded for it once) and must have really gotten under his officer's skins, as he had two mutinies. What's interesting is that in the case of the Bounty, most of the crew were on his side, or at least made no move to help the mutineers. Fletcher Christian and his fellow mutineers misjudged the degree of support they would have, but did have an element of surprise. Christian had powerful connections, and money, at home, and his family more or less paid to have a hatchet job done on Bligh that still sticks to this day, which is a pity. He may have been the greatest navigator in history.

 

4000 miles in an overloaded, under-provisioned open boat without the loss of a hand? He has my vote.

But you take my point about his command style. Hardly the martinet he’s often portrayed to be, but a socially awkward fellow who was tone deaf as to his impulsive statements and often forgot his cutting remarks as soon as he said them.

He went from able seaman to vice-admiral, so the class distinctions between he and Christian very likely played a part in the mutiny. Arthur Herman forcefully argues in favor of Bligh—or at least against Christian—in To Rule the Waves.

 

Nemesis would probably be Nature vs Nurture or something

 

That makes sense. Picard is nurture and Shinzon is what Picard might well have been with a lifetime of abuse and tyrannical rule by overseers. The latter is the result of nature and no formal upbringing or education.

 

That's literally what it is. And mirrored in the B4 story, where no amount of nurture would change B4's simple nature.

 

Chekov wasn't in Disco

 

We were talking about TFF and @cooleddie74 used Discovery to show how Star Trek can work even with contrivances.

 

Oh ok sorry..... I think it was the quoted text above what was said mixed me up haha..