What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Farscape One]

They still used Starfleet's naval ranks, so they wouldn't be Marines.

First, we don't know what ranks they used in "NOR THE BATTLE TO THE STRONG" because none were mentioned. Second, they might be the marines functionally but may still use naval ranks.

 

[Quinton]

I never had a father, either. Though my grandfather was very much a father figure in my life until he passed when I was a high school senior. (It was barely a year after this episode first aired.) But it still completely shatters me every time I watch "THE VISITOR".

Why? Because it's about loss and grief. Everyone either has lost or will lose someone that means a great deal to them. It's a universal thing. Everybody will deal with that pain in different ways, but it's there. And some people simply never fully recover from it. I still miss Pops, almost 30 years later. Same with my grandmother, whom I was especially close to. A week before this Thanksgiving will be 20 years... and there are times when it still hurts.

I can't speak for everyone, but I know I can't be the only one who thinks this... if there were a way to have them come back or I could spend a bit more time with them, I would do it. This is what Jake is doing: giving his younger self a chance to have his father back for more of his life.

And because this is such a univeral thing the episode touches on, and how it was done at the right time of the show (after 3 full years, we got to see just how close this father and son were, so this feels earned) it's why it will always be among the very best of not just the franchise, but in all of television.






Some people just are not able to move on from such a deep loss. It's sad, but it also adds another layer of truth to the episode.

Sorry, I missed this reply until now! Nothing of significance to add, really, but I do appreciate the depth of your post.

I will say this - if my partner dies before me, and especially if it happens while we’re still fairly young, I’m going to be a complete fucking wreck, and maybe “The Visitor” will hit me harder then, heh.

 

[The Wormhole]

First, we don't know what ranks they used in "NOR THE BATTLE TO THE STRONG" because none were mentioned.

The guy who punches Jake out mistakenly thinking he was a Klingon was identified in the script as a Chief Petty Officer. Which may not be canon, but does speak to the writer's intent.

 

[Shawnster]

Section 31 are quite different from the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

They're a combined service, Admiral.

They have in the past conducting dirty tricks against foreign government, though not so much in the last 50 years or so, and always with the knowledge and approval of the civilian U.S. government.

That's what they want you to believe.

 

[kkt]

That's what they want you to believe.

That's a long time to keep anything a secret.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Wasn't O'Brien identified as a chief petty officer in the TNG episode "Family"?

 

[Farscape One]

Wasn't O'Brien identified as a chief petty officer in the TNG episode "Family"?

He was, by Worf's adoptive dad.

 

[cooleddie74]

O'Brien's rank jumped all over the place from TNG to DS9. First he was a CO, then enlisted, then once again a CO, and then again an enlisted man.

 

[Nerys Myk]

O'Brien's rank jumped all over the place from TNG to DS9. First he was a CO, then enlisted, then once again a CO, and then again an enlisted man.

The untold story is he was busted in rank a few times. Why? That's classified.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Keiko did refer to O'Brien's posting on Deep Space Nine as a "promotion".

 

[Farscape One]

He went from a transporter chief to Chief of Operations of station.

Definitely a promotion. (By title, at least.)

 

[CoveTom]

Keiko did refer to O'Brien's posting on Deep Space Nine as a "promotion".

He got a promotion in position, not in rank. Similar to how Sisko going from first officer of a ship to commanding officer of a station would be a job promotion, even though he retained the same rank.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

The guy who punches Jake out mistakenly thinking he was a Klingon was identified in the script as a Chief Petty Officer. Which may not be canon, but does speak to the writer's intent.

There are Marines, like Mexico's, that use naval ranks. It depends on whether they are conceived as the expeditionary army, the naval infantry, or the army that fights with the navy.

 

[Tallguy]

The Black Badges would be like Black Helicopters.

Some might claim to have seen them, but they’re largely dismissed as paranoia.

Which is why section 31 is stupid.

 

[fireproof78]

But black SUVs are real.

 

[Farscape One]

He got a promotion in position, not in rank. Similar to how Sisko going from first officer of a ship to commanding officer of a station would be a job promotion, even though he retained the same rank.

Actually, Sisko was a Lt. Cmdr. when he was XO of the Saratoga at Wolf 359. Whether he was promoted to full Commander when he got the assignment to DS9 or he was already one while he was helping design the Defiant, we don't know for sure. (There's almost 3 years in universe time between the two events, which is enough time to get that promotion, especially since we later know Leyton made him a Lt. Cmdr. and XO of the Okinawa sometime before he was XO of the Saratoga.)

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Black helicopters are real, just not the proverbial black helicopters.

 

[CoveTom]

Actually, Sisko was a Lt. Cmdr. when he was XO of the Saratoga at Wolf 359. Whether he was promoted to full Commander when he got the assignment to DS9 or he was already one while he was helping design the Defiant, we don't know for sure. (There's almost 3 years in universe time between the two events, which is enough time to get that promotion, especially since we later know Leyton made him a Lt. Cmdr. and XO of the Okinawa sometime before he was XO of the Saratoga.)

Was he? Huh. All these years and I either did not notice it or did not think about it.

 

[Citiprime]

I’ve always wondered if one explanation for O’Brien’s rank might be he was an officer during Setlik III and the early years of TNG, was still dealing with the trauma of what happened with the Cardassians, decided that he wanted to step back from frontline service and settle down by switching to a Staff NCO enlisted position.

Remember, originally, Starfleet’s administration of Deep Space Nine was more akin to a support role like what the characters in “Lower Decks” are being sent out to do. It was only after the discovery of the wormhole and everything that followed where Deep Space Nine became an important strategic position in the Alpha Quadrant.

So (if you wanted to headcanon this out) I could see O’Brien taking the Chief of Operations role thinking it would be a more quiet support role that would be better for raising a family, with less chance of running into weird space shit than being on the Enterprise, only for it to turn into something he never expected.

 

[suarezguy]

I guess controversial though petty, it does bug me that Sisko was Lieutenant Commander in the prologue to "Emissary" and so the implication that, even depressed and drifting he was still able to get a promotion in the interim, it is petty but I would much prefer that he just had been (and continues to be) Commander for a few years or at least the interim period.