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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

I think Chris Pine is okay for the type of Kirk he is, but it's not my thing. Paul Wesley looks like Dick York from Bewitched. All I can think of is Darren (okay, Jim Carrey too). And his acting, from what I saw, is way too flat.

To me, when I think of Kirk, it's still Shatner's Kirk. Though I keep Shatner's Kirk separate from William Shatner himself.

As far as James Bond:
Connery --> I like him as Bond. But (Controversial Opinion!) he's not my favorite.
Lazenby --> Nah.
Moore --> He grows on you.
Dalton --> No thanks.
Brosnan --> The perfect blend of Connery and Moore. Also, my first Bond.
Craig --> His Bond is a thug, IMO. I stopped watching his movies. I even watched all of Moore's.

So, yeah, another Controversial Opinion: Pierce Brosnan is my favorite James Bond.

Just to round this off and to prove my first isn't always my favorite: I like Robert Pattison better as Batman than Adam West, Michael Keaton, or Christian Bale. As far as live-action goes, the rest aren't even worth a mention.
I agree that Craig is a thug... but he is supposed to be a thug. He's a thug hired to do dirty jobs.
 
He should be a thug who doesn't come across like a thug, IMO, but we'll agree to disagree.

I know my opinion is the minority one on this.
I didn't like Craig's portrayal of Bond, either. He was too lowbrow and thuggish to be James Bond.

I think he did get better over time, but that's because the movies themselves were very good... SKYFALL and SPECTRE.

I still rank him as the worst Bond. Connery was the best, with Brosnan being a close second.
 
Shouldn’t be controversial, but seemingly is:

“That thing we saw on that Trek episode didn’t happen in my headcanon” is not only a useless and irrelevant statement in any discussion of the episode; it’s also a symptom of a wider existent societal flaw.
 
Actually, that’s not true. They should have had a funeral scene for Kirk. He deserved a better farewell. A hero’s send-off.

I’m assuming he did the first time, but we didn’t see it.
The pile of rocks we see was about the same as D'Amato from THAT WHICH SURVIVES. But even if you're not a Kirk fan, this seems vastly insufficient.
 
I have never understood why people hated Kirk’s death in Generations.

He gave up eternity in paradise to save 230 million people who will never know he even existed.
It might be TOS fans felt it unfair that Kirk's closest friends would mostly never know how he actually died. (Or would later die after some of them had.)
The original Kirk-death was more dramatic, but Malcolm McDowell gave it away on live TV. So we get the rickety bridge plunge.
 
The pile of rocks we see was about the same as D'Amato from THAT WHICH SURVIVES. But even if you're not a Kirk fan, this seems vastly insufficient.
To be fair, Picard didn't have any digging tools or a phaser to dig a grave. Plus, this was on basically a mountain with no obvious soil nearby to bury Kirk.

Like the situation in "THAT WHICH SURVIVES", rocks were the only viable option available to Picard at that time.
 
Shouldn’t be controversial, but seemingly is:

“That thing we saw on that Trek episode didn’t happen in my headcanon” is not only a useless and irrelevant statement in any discussion of the episode; it’s also a symptom of a wider existent societal flaw.
I'm mixed on this. On the one hand, I'm all for liking what you like and ignoring what you don't. But, at the same time, declaring something nonexistent in the story feels s bit of a bridge too far in terms of engagement plus making conversation more difficult.
 
I'm mixed on this. On the one hand, I'm all for liking what you like and ignoring what you don't. But, at the same time, declaring something nonexistent in the story feels s bit of a bridge too far in terms of engagement plus making conversation more difficult.
I hear you. I’d say there’s a difference between liking what you like, and pretending that affects the source itself. For example, in recent X-Men comics, I’ve absolutely hated the end of the Krakoa era and the return to the old unending status quo of “mutants fighting to protect a world that really, really, REALLY hates and fears them, while being constantly persecuted by said world” — to the point that, sure, I kinda have a headcanoned alternate universe where Krakoa not only stands, but leaves the stupid homo sapiens behind forever. BUT: In any discussion of the actual comics, it would be utterly pointless for me to throw in “Well, as far as I’m concerned that didn’t happen.” Because in the actual work, it did, and that’s that.
 
I hear you. I’d say there’s a difference between liking what you like, and pretending that affects the source itself. For example, in recent X-Men comics, I’ve absolutely hated the end of the Krakoa era and the return to the old unending status quo of “mutants fighting to protect a world that really, really, REALLY hates and fears them, while being constantly persecuted by said world” — to the point that, sure, I kinda have a headcanoned alternate universe where Krakoa not only stands, but leaves the stupid homo sapiens behind forever. BUT: In any discussion of the actual comics, it would be utterly pointless for me to throw in “Well, as far as I’m concerned that didn’t happen.” Because in the actual work, it did, and that’s that.
there was a guy many years, on AOL I think, who was constantly arguing with John Byrne about his Wonder Woman run. As it turned out what Byrne was doing was violating this guy's headcanon. :lol:

Unsurprisingly, I 've seen this guy's name pop up as an online "journalist".
 
Shouldn’t be controversial, but seemingly is:

“That thing we saw on that Trek episode didn’t happen in my headcanon” is not only a useless and irrelevant statement in any discussion of the episode; it’s also a symptom of a wider existent societal flaw.
I'm very careful about that; I see headcanon like the interpretations of QM: it doesn't contradict anything directly shown but interprets what is shown. I'm happy to contradict what the showrunners say, though, as long as it isn't shown on screen (that's not canon!).
 
When I think of Kirk's death in GENERATIONS, I think of the end of BABYLON 5's "COMES THE INQUISITOR".

"This is my cause! Life! One life or a billion, it's all the same."

And the inquisitor goes on to say if she sacrifices herself to save Sheridan, she'll just die alone in the dark and with no one knowing she did sacrificed herself to save another.

And she was fine with that

Who was she saving, though? Sheridan. Who wad Sheridan? A person she loved dearly. A character the fans were heavily invested in. Sheridan was well known and beloved.

Now, change Sheridan to a different character, a character nobody knows. A character never seen before, during, nor since. A character never on screen and never heard of before that moment. Does Delenn still willingly sacrifice for this completely unknown individual? As a fan, do you care? Is that a dramatic moment that tugs at the viewers heartstrings? No.

Now, it should. It still is heroic. It's still the ultimate sacrifice. But we're talking dramatic entertainment, not real life. It's not a compelling, heroic story. As pointed out above, viewers mourned the loss of lives on those planets Nomad sterilized, nor the crew of the Constellation. Fans aren't crying when a nameless redshirt fails to return from a mission.

Drama and heroism in fiction comes from connecting with the audience. Threaten to destroy Earth I actually destroy Vulcan and fans are involved because we feel we have skin in the game.
 
Same. It's not any disrespect to recast

Yes it is. If you love the portrayal it is at best cheap to go why not recast so we can milk that for some more appearances by different people.

I have NEVER seen the original Hamlet. And don't get me started on that Sherlock Holmes guy.

I will say again: Either these are timeless characters or they are just a single performance.

A performance feeling timeless despite actually being 40, 50 years old is great accomplishment, a company wanting to do something new that is rehashy or pretty INO 50 or 60 years later feels at least pretty sad.
 
It's the same principle.

You can and it has been done.

Non-issue.

Yep. James Bond is the prime example.

Rarely is, at least or especially for people who loved one version, a successor also embraced and James Bond is a very good example, very rare for people who love Connery or Dalton to not declare that Moore was a freaking CLOWN, for those who claim that Craig saved the series to not claim Brosnan was an embarrassment (although there at least they do usually blame the writers a lot more).

What if you recast, oh I don't know... Saavik in the middle of a storyline in a direct sequel?

Pretty weird, bad decision that still seems most likely motivated by Nimoy's dislike of the character.
 
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