Exactly this. 100%.
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Which I guess means Saavik being Spock's wife and the two of them having a son is (more or less) canon. Which works for me.
I don't even consider VST to be competent let alone canon.This should apply to Very Short Treks too then.
Very Short Treks is the only series that I consider truly bad.
Someone will say, "I thought you didn't like Enterprise or Strange New Worlds or the Abrams Films!" I'm just not into them. They're not my cup of tea. Not being into them isn't the same as thinking they're bad.
Someone will say, "I thought you didn't like Enterprise or Strange New Worlds or the Abrams Films!" I'm just not into them. They're not my cup of tea. Not being into them isn't the same as thinking they're bad.
It's always been a part of the deep apocrypha, pretty much since TSFS and TVH. The implications were always there, and while I don't have cited sources on hand, I'm pretty sure that was the intention from initial screenplay drafts (as inferred by some novelization passages, along with Saavik's Romulan heritage), but they opted to not distract the greater story with side-quests, as it were. Happens all the time during filming. If TFF was filmed the way Shatner originally intended, for example, it could have been a seriously kick-ass film! Alas...
I just see all this as a full and final confirmation and canonization. Very much works for me too. No mental contortions required for this one and, if I'm honest, it's really needed to be done much sooner, IMO.
Many sincere thanks to OTOY for making this happen and tying up some arguably significant decades-old loose-ends.
I see your point, but there is nothing on screen in that short that verifies this as being the case.
If someone wanted to produce stories that took place with Spock NOT having married Saavik it wouldn't be hard to do. ("But that OTOY thing!" "What? Where does that SAY they married?")
Again, I don't really see the story or stories that anyone would make that would run afoul of this short.
If anything, the closest analog is TAS... the copyright of which was originally Filmation Associates and Norway Productions (Roddenberry's company)
Ahem. "Of COURSE TAS is canon."
Rather than saying something "canon" I prefer to say whether or not it "counts".
It all counts to varying degrees.
That might make Kirk jealous, if some the slash also achieves canon-status.
Definitely agree. To me it’s a really beautiful little piece and such a relief after having hated Kirk’s fate in Generations for three whole decades (how can it be thirty years old? I feel so old). Generations just depressed the hell out of me and was such a crappy and completely cynical end to an iconic character (mandated, as I believe it was, by the studio, who saw it as an obligatory passing of the torch). This little twist is one of imagination, love and hope and captures the true spirit of “the human adventure is just beginning.” It’s 100% canon to me and nobody will ever convince me otherwise.
I am one of the few fans who has no objection to how Kirk died in Generations. But the video clip Unification was well done and I hope the 'Kirk must live' fans are happy with it
I have never understood why people hated Kirk’s death in Generations.
He gave up eternity in paradise to save 230 million people who will never know he even existed.
Can’t get much more heroic than that!
Probably because it was so random.
What's wrong with that?
And, of course, died on a bridge.I have never understood why people hated Kirk’s death in Generations.
He gave up eternity in paradise to save 230 million people who will never know he even existed.
Can’t get much more heroic than that!
EDIT: Plus, it’s in keeping with the themes of the film. The first time he “dies” on the B, he’s alone; the second time, for real, a friend is there to see him through (cf. Picard on Time).
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Sadly, probably both.
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