What Amazes Me

[ST-One]

When Kirk offered assistance, he reasoned that it might help a peace process with the Romulan Empire. Which is stupid because Nero is an outcast from the 24th century who has no business at all with the 23rd century Romulans. Even nuKirk should have figured that out.

Not to mention the fact that this just comes out of nowhere. Why is Romulas important all of a sudden? They were never talked about in the movie outside of the prime timeline, and what little we know would barely hint that we are at conflict with them. If we're not at war with Romulas, aren't we already at peace with them? Does Romulas have a light up sign saying "If you know any Romulans from the future and show them compassion, we'll like you more!"

You are such a big Trekker, but you can't even get the Romulan's home planet's name right?

It's Romulus and not Romulas.

 

[JarodRussell]

When Kirk offered assistance, he reasoned that it might help a peace process with the Romulan Empire. Which is stupid because Nero is an outcast from the 24th century who has no business at all with the 23rd century Romulans. Even nuKirk should have figured that out.

Not to mention the fact that this just comes out of nowhere. Why is Romulas important all of a sudden? They were never talked about in the movie outside of the prime timeline, and what little we know would barely hint that we are at conflict with them. If we're not at war with Romulas, aren't we already at peace with them? Does Romulas have a light up sign saying "If you know any Romulans from the future and show them compassion, we'll like you more!"

You are such a big Trekker, but you can't even get the Romulan's home planet's name right?

It's Romulus and not Romulas.

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[Jeyl]

You are such a big Trekker, but you can't even get the Romulan's home planet's name right?

It's Romulus and not Romulas.

Oh, get over yourself.

 

[RookieBatman]

The post 9/11 default mentality seems to be tit for tat to the point where the logical pacifist questions why his commanding officer is complying with Starfleet regulations to offer assistance to a helpless foe.

I hope this question doesn't sound stupid, but please bear in mind that I only saw the movie once, when it came out. Is there anything that specifically indicated that nuSpock (or even any nuVulcan) is a pacifist? I don't specifically remember any mention of such a philosophy.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Vulcan devotion to pacifism is highly over rated.

 

[Pauln6]

Pacifism is the foundation of Vulcan philosophy but basically Janeway got it right: logic can be used to justify just about anything.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pacifism is the foundation of Vulcan philosophy but basically Janeway got it right: logic can be used to justify just about anything.

Flawlessly logical.

 

[ST-One]

You are such a big Trekker, but you can't even get the Romulan's home planet's name right?

It's Romulus and not Romulas.

Oh, get over yourself.

And this coming from someone who can't let any opportunity to bash Star Trek pass by.

 

[Jeyl]

And this coming from someone who can't let any opportunity to bash Star Trek pass by.

And you let that bother you..... why? At least I'm talking about Star Trek. What are you doing? Making posts solely dedicated to my spelling errors for everyone here to see. I fail to understand how that is a contributing post in a discussion about Star Trek. Are you trying to show off to people that I shouldn't be taken seriously simply because I didn't spell Romulus right? It certainly didn't look like you tried to help me out. There are certainly far better methods of doing that than making an off-topic post about it. So for everyone's sake, get over it.

Now, in regards to Vulcan Pacifism? I don't know. The galaxy is too many dangerous elements and hostile races to not take a cautious approach. I wish there was more talk about how the Vulcan society worked in relationship to the rest of the Federation instead of being depicted as anything human should be seen as a 'weakness'. Shouldn't being a pacifist entail some acceptance and open mindedness towards such things?

 

[Pauln6]

There are three dialiects of Romulan. Don't assume that any spelling is incorrect Just look at how different people have spelled Quo'nos over the years (Kling, Kronos, Chronos etc)

 

[ST-One]

What are you doing? Making posts solely dedicated to my spelling errors for everyone here to see. I fail to understand how that is a contributing post in a discussion about Star Trek. Are you trying to show off to people that I shouldn't be taken seriously simply because I didn't spell Romulus right? It certainly didn't look like you tried to help me out. There are certainly far better methods of doing that than making an off-topic post about it. So for everyone's sake, get over it.

You shouldn't be taken seriously. But that you can't spell Romulus correctly is only one among other reasons.

 

[JarodRussell]

Oh no, someone on the internet made a spelling mistake.

 

[RookieBatman]

You shouldn't be taken seriously. But that you can't spell Romulus correctly is only one among other reasons.

Hey, does anyone remember when this was a civil discussion? I thought it was actually going fairly well for a while there.

ST-One, I'm sure that there have been people who didn't like STXI, who have acted very rude and inflammatory, and thus left you with a bad impression of everyone who vocalizes a dislike for the movie. But that is no justification for repeatedly insulting someone who has been neither rude nor inflammatory. What does it say about your own side of the argument when all you can do is snipe at spelling errors instead of actually contributing to the discussion?

I don't think that all the people who liked STXI are just a bunch of bullies, but one could certainly draw that assumption from observing people like you. But it wouldn't be accurate, would it? Let's not engage in generalizations, and let's not let this very thought-provoking and enlightening discussion degenerate into baseless personal attacks.

 

[ST-One]

You shouldn't be taken seriously. But that you can't spell Romulus correctly is only one among other reasons.

Hey, does anyone remember when this was a civil discussion? I thought it was actually going fairly well for a while there.

ST-One, I'm sure that there have been people who didn't like STXI, who have acted very rude and inflammatory, and thus left you with a bad impression of everyone who vocalizes a dislike for the movie. But that is no justification for repeatedly insulting someone who has been neither rude nor inflammatory. What does it say about your own side of the argument when all you can do is snipe at spelling errors instead of actually contributing to the discussion?

I don't think that all the people who liked STXI are just a bunch of bullies, but one could certainly draw that assumption from observing people like you. But it wouldn't be accurate, would it? Let's not engage in generalizations, and let's not let this very thought-provoking and enlightening discussion degenerate into baseless personal attacks.

Oh, please.
He uses every little inconsistency, every little error and mistake in Star Trek to point out how stupid the Abrams and his team and that movie in general are.
That's why I pointed out his own stupid error.

 

[JarodRussell]

But it doesn't seem you're feeling better now. You might try something different.

 

[ST-One]

But it doesn't seem you're feeling better now. You might try something different.

 

[Withers]

Oh, please.
He uses every little inconsistency, every little error and mistake in Star Trek to point out how stupid the Abrams and his team and that movie in general are.
That's why I pointed out his own stupid error

This points out how truly annoying and irksome being reminded of every infinitesimal flaw is to people. I think that it bothered him, and for some reason ^ this guy, at all is evidence of the fact that they understand the concept. Now, if they would just backtrack to the previous 26 pages of this thread, they'd see there has been nothing but that from him- mentions of the tiniest, insignificant, borderline irrelevant elements of XI that somehow make it complete garbage, watchable only by the dumbest and slowest.

(That, I am imagining, will finally be what ends this thread.)

-Withers-​

 

[Pauln6]

Blimey if errors and inconsistencies alone make Trek garbage then it's been garbage from start to finish!

 

[Jeyl]

He uses every little inconsistency, every little error and mistake in Star Trek to point out how stupid the Abrams and his team and that movie in general are.
That's why I pointed out his own stupid error.

Well, of course there will always be errors, mistakes and inconsistencies in Star Trek no matter what the medium is. It's not a matter of how many flaws or errors it has, it's what else you can look at that's either better than those details, or at least more tolerable.

I would give a lot of these flawed details of Trek09 a pass if I liked the fundamental qualities of the movie itself, which are the characters and the story. I didn't. I hated the characters and the story did nothing for me.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

I hated the characters and the story did nothing for me.

Aww, that's a shame. I've always liked those characters.