What a disappointment!

[Johnhead99]

This episode was the biggest load of crap i've ever seen, In my opinion Voyager should have got home midway through season seven, then we could have had a few episodes set in the alpha quadrant showing them re-adjusting to life on earth. You should read Homecoming, its as close as you will ever get to a decent series end

I so agree. The Homecoming book was much more enjoyable.

 

[Penguin]

My question remains:

When Janeway kills borg Queen and Voyager enters alpha Quadrent 16 years before event took place in first time line history she changed the time line History.

Obviously 7 of 9 would not die. would she and chakoty still marry? they did have something going.

Miral, in first time line history she spent first 16 years on voyager in space. In new time line history she entered Alpja quadrent as a Baby. How would have she grown up? would she still have enterd Star Fleet?

Doctor. In first time line he too name of Joe and married a Human. what would happen in new time line history? Would his program be erased?

Janeway. In first time line history she goes forward in time and kills borg Queen and changes time line history. In second time line she had no need to go forwrd in time to change time line history so she doesn't which means that time line hisotry does not get changed as she didn't kill borg queen so we go back to first time line history and she goes forwrd in time and jkills borg Queen changing time line hisotry. A loop in time.

You shouldn't fool with time.

 

[sastvguy_markII]

"Scorpion" will always be my favorite, but I did really like "Endgame". I do agree with those who would have liked an epilogue hour, Looks like I'll have to hunt down the "Homecoming" books...

 

[erindente]

Endgame was disapointing. The finale should have gone like this:

Voyager gets home in the first 2 mintues. After arriving at spacedock, the crew is greeted by a contingent of Starfleet security who proceeds to throw Chakotay, Tom, Torres, and the rest of the Maquis in prison (just because the crew forgave and forgot, didn't mean Starfleet was going to), send Seven to a lab for dissection in order to find a defense against the Borg once and for all, and rip the doctor out of sickbay and send his program back to the lab to check out his improvements. All this on top of VOYAGER being impounded for study after seven years in an alien quadrant.

Then, Janeway, Harry and Tuvok spend the next 2 hours trying to get their friends out, and their ship back.

That would have made a better episode than what we got.

I agree about your ending - it makes more sense to have Star Fleet respond to Voyager's return with suspicion. In addition, it seems ridiculous that Star Fleet would ignore the many instances where Voyager either stretched or simply ignored protocol. I also found the C/7 relationship to be ridiculous if not insulting - it seemed like it was just thrown in there without any context or believability. C/7 was very disappointing. The episode would have been improved significantly by leaving out the C/7 nonsense.

 

[exodus]

My question remains:

When Janeway kills borg Queen and Voyager enters alpha Quadrent 16 years before event took place in first time line history she changed the time line History.

Obviously 7 of 9 would not die. would she and chakoty still marry? they did have something going.

Miral, in first time line history she spent first 16 years on voyager in space. In new time line history she entered Alpja quadrent as a Baby. How would have she grown up? would she still have enterd Star Fleet?

Doctor. In first time line he too name of Joe and married a Human. what would happen in new time line history? Would his program be erased?

Janeway. In first time line history she goes forward in time and kills borg Queen and changes time line history. In second time line she had no need to go forwrd in time to change time line history so she doesn't which means that time line hisotry does not get changed as she didn't kill borg queen so we go back to first time line history and she goes forwrd in time and jkills borg Queen changing time line hisotry. A loop in time.

You shouldn't fool with time.

I always assumed that because we still see Janeway as an Admiral in "Nemesis", that the careers of the rest of the crew we saw still happen the exact same way. I honestly don't think getting home sooner or anybodies death would affect their choices in careers. Death would effect them emotionally, yes but not their choices in a career.

It's "Before & After" vs "Year of Hell" all over again. Year of Hell still happened regardless of whether Kes or Seven was onboard and regardless of whether Janeway & Be'Lanna lived or died.

 

[roguephoenix]

hey, just be thankful it wasn't an enterprise-esque ending. >_< now that was bad.

 

[Broccoli]

hey, just be thankful it wasn't an enterprise-esque ending. >_< now that was bad.

What? I thought "Terra Prime" was great!

 

[B_L_T]

hey, just be thankful it wasn't an enterprise-esque ending. >_< now that was bad.

Indeed that was not such a good way to end a series. I thinks most fans not like last episode of Enterprise

 

[RandyS]

Endgame was disapointing. The finale should have gone like this:

Voyager gets home in the first 2 mintues. After arriving at spacedock, the crew is greeted by a contingent of Starfleet security who proceeds to throw Chakotay, Tom, Torres, and the rest of the Maquis in prison (just because the crew forgave and forgot, didn't mean Starfleet was going to),

Considering the former Maquis on VOY were the only ones left, why should Starfleet ignore their service and accomplishments in the Delta Quadrant? I agree there could have been some issues regarding their actions as Maquis, but I doubt they would have just been locked up and left to rot. No point in holding an old grudge just to hold it.

send Seven to a lab for dissection in order to find a defense against the Borg once and for all,

Why would Starfleet assume that doing this to Seven, which is a blatant violation of her personal rights, would give them knowledge to beat the Borg? Sorry, but I'm not following this idea.

and rip the doctor out of sickbay and send his program back to the lab to check out his improvements. All this on top of VOYAGER being impounded for study after seven years in an alien quadrant.

Then, Janeway, Harry and Tuvok spend the next 2 hours trying to get their friends out, and their ship back.

That would have made a better episode than what we got.

More exciting maybe, but I don't see any of these ideas as being particularly likely or fitting to the series. What's Janeway going to do, become a fugitive from the Federation?

No, my idea is to bookend the series. Over the course of the 2 hour finale, Janeway would be trying to get he friends out of the trouble they were in with Starfleet at the time the show started. By the end of the episode, the Voyager crew could have been fully re-instated officers, but first, they must answer for their previous actions. They wouldn't be on the run at the end. And regarding Seven being used as a defense against the Borg, it wouldn't exactly have to be Starfleet, it could be Section 31. They just make it appear as though Starfleet wanted her dissected.

 

[Katatak47]

OMG! I can't believe after all these years people are STILL quarreling over how they thought the finale should have gone or how it would have been improved if they'd just done such-and-such. And EVERYONE has a different idea of what that should have been!

I had little problem with the finale, myself, in spite of the sudden news that Chakotay and Seven were a couple. Ick. And yes, I admit at the time, when they finally made it back to the Alpha Quadrant it seemed a little abrupt and then it was suddenly all over. But you know what? I like the fact they didn't sew it up completely. I've been able to read fanfic over the intervening years that has fulfilled every possible wish mentioned here. I like the possibilities left open because I'd rather use my own imagination.

 

[2 of 10]

Mixed feelings from me also, I realized that since they were still in the DQ, and this was the series final episode. I just knew that there would have to be either a time-travel and/or a Borg connection to complete their journey home.

I did like to opening scene with Voyager doing a fly-by of the GGB, and I also did like the 10th anniversary of their return home party also, however, I do think that they could have developed a 2 or 3 episode story arc of their voyage home. Realizing that when they started losing crewmembers like Neelix leaving the ship and Cary being killed in the few episodes. Left me wondering just how they were going to pull off making getting back to the Sol Sector somewhat believeable...without Time Travel or the BORG. So, they used both.

All in all, this was the last show of the last season, Voyager HAD to get home and the writers I think working under the pressure of GETTING Voyager home in a way that did not leave the viewers feeling ripped off.
I give/gave the episode a "7 of 9" rating...

 

[ria 75]

[...] I like the fact they didn't sew it up completely. I've been able to read fanfic over the intervening years that has fulfilled every possible wish mentioned here. I like the possibilities left open because I'd rather use my own imagination.

Imagination is all right, but most viewers don't read fanfic. Liking Star Trek doesn't have to be a commitment.

I love Star Trek and I do have an imagination, but there will always be more "important" books for me to read.

I am in favour of open endings all the same. But after reading about fanfic all over the board, I have come to wonder if producers rely on it as an excuse to end with any available scenario and leave the fans to it. That would be bad.

In all likelihood, they know the fans (being hooked) will watch whatever they produce and criticize it anyway and do what they want with it afterwards in complete freedom. They surely wash their hands of it.

Aaand... what am I doing here?
Saying it's sad to have to rely on fanfic. I'm sure it's great fun to read, but this was me speaking for the strict canon viewers. A show is a show, for god's sake. And if they did the show itself better I might not be ashamed of admitting I'm a Star Trek fan in public.