What a disappointment!

[Jeri]

I rather enjoyed the book Mosaic.

Jeri Taylor's books are worth a reread. I'm going to get around to that.

 

[ria 75]

Endgame was disapointing. The finale should have gone like this:

Voyager gets home in the first 2 mintues. After arriving at spacedock, the crew is greeted by a contingent of Starfleet security who proceeds to throw Chakotay, Tom, Torres, and the rest of the Maquis in prison (just because the crew forgave and forgot, didn't mean Starfleet was going to), send Seven to a lab for dissection in order to find a defense against the Borg once and for all, and rip the doctor out of sickbay and send his program back to the lab to check out his improvements. All this on top of VOYAGER being impounded for study after seven years in an alien quadrant.

Then, Janeway, Harry and Tuvok spend the next 2 hours trying to get their friends out, and their ship back.

That would have made a better episode than what we got.

Great idea. Somebody should write it.

 

[Lynx]

Endgame was disapointing. The finale should have gone like this:

Voyager gets home in the first 2 mintues. After arriving at spacedock, the crew is greeted by a contingent of Starfleet security who proceeds to throw Chakotay, Tom, Torres, and the rest of the Maquis in prison (just because the crew forgave and forgot, didn't mean Starfleet was going to), send Seven to a lab for dissection in order to find a defense against the Borg once and for all, and rip the doctor out of sickbay and send his program back to the lab to check out his improvements. All this on top of VOYAGER being impounded for study after seven years in an alien quadrant.

Then, Janeway, Harry and Tuvok spend the next 2 hours trying to get their friends out, and their ship back.

That would have made a better episode than what we got.

Add a decent Kes come-back (where she's restored to what she was in seasons 1-3) and Neelix deciding to go to Earth to join his old friends too and I buy the idea!

 

[kimc]

I know! Janeway could wake up one morning to find her former fiancee Mark in her shower. It was all a dream.

 

[TriOpticon]

Endgame was disapointing. The finale should have gone like this: Voyager gets home in the first 2 mintues.

I don't know. I think the whole point of the series was them trying to get home so the climax/series finale should have been about how they actually get home. I would have been disappointed if the first 2 minutes had them home already.

After arriving at spacedock, the crew is greeted by a contingent of Starfleet security who proceeds to throw Chakotay, Tom, Torres, and the rest of the Maquis in prison (just because the crew forgave and forgot, didn't mean Starfleet was going to), send Seven to a lab for dissection in order to find a defense against the Borg once and for all, and rip the doctor out of sickbay and send his program back to the lab to check out his improvements. All this on top of VOYAGER being impounded for study after seven years in an alien quadrant. Then, Janeway, Harry and Tuvok spend the next 2 hours trying to get their friends out, and their ship back.

But then, to me, it would feel like there was no end. I would be expecting a Star Trek Renegade series or something.

I think the novels is where the "after arrival" action should come from.

 

[SeanMcC]

They should have had them get home about halfway through the last part, then used the rest for closure scenes on Earth.

Another popular opinion was to have them get home a few episodes before the end and close it out that way.

DS9's finale had a lot of closure - Though some say there was too much, I liked it though.

 

[Penguin]

How nice. I have been reading these posts and saw that Endgame was coming up on Spike.

Recorded part one and had DVR set to record part two. Being in Arizona it was adamned Hot and the DVR malfunctoned so I missed part two of Endgame and am not sure when I will be able to record it.

So, Instead of being able to add to this conversttion I can only wonder what I might have seen in part two.

 

[ria 75]

^Reading this thread entirely must feel like one has already seen it. Plus the "Endgame and Threshold" thread... and others.

 

[Penguin]

Ria75, for me, at least, that is the way I can become current on what has been already posted so that I don't repeat questions and will find answers to questions I might have asked.

Saves time and annoyance.

Besides, I enjoy reading the threads. Much greart humor to be found here.

Mind you I have vision proglems so it is difficult to read for very long. It will take me time to catch up.

 

[Jeri]

^ ^ I have vision problems, too; for very long posts, I have to put them into text documents, make sound files out of them, and listen to them on my iPod. I do this at the newspaper websites every day, for example.

 

[ria 75]

Ria75, for me, at least, that is the way I can become current on what has been already posted so that I don't repeat questions and will find answers to questions I might have asked.

Saves time and annoyance.

Besides, I enjoy reading the threads. Much greart humor to be found here.

I didn't say you shouldn't read them. On the contrary. I would do the same.
Not that my post leaned either way.

Mind you I have vision proglems so it is difficult to read for very long. It will take me time to catch up.

Sorry to hear that. From Jeri, too. I'll try even more to space my paragraphs.

 

[LeadHead]

Endgame suffered from the same problem that most of Voyager's last 2-3 seasons did. They could create a conflict descently enough. Once they hit the conclusion though, usually it would be unsatisfying.

 

[ria 75]

Endgame suffered from the same problem that most of Voyager's last 2-3 seasons did. They could create a conflict descently enough.

Lapsus calami (a (revealing) slip of the pen). You did mean the quality went down!

 

[Unicron]

Endgame was disapointing. The finale should have gone like this:

Voyager gets home in the first 2 mintues. After arriving at spacedock, the crew is greeted by a contingent of Starfleet security who proceeds to throw Chakotay, Tom, Torres, and the rest of the Maquis in prison (just because the crew forgave and forgot, didn't mean Starfleet was going to),

Considering the former Maquis on VOY were the only ones left, why should Starfleet ignore their service and accomplishments in the Delta Quadrant? I agree there could have been some issues regarding their actions as Maquis, but I doubt they would have just been locked up and left to rot. No point in holding an old grudge just to hold it.

send Seven to a lab for dissection in order to find a defense against the Borg once and for all,

Why would Starfleet assume that doing this to Seven, which is a blatant violation of her personal rights, would give them knowledge to beat the Borg? Sorry, but I'm not following this idea.

and rip the doctor out of sickbay and send his program back to the lab to check out his improvements. All this on top of VOYAGER being impounded for study after seven years in an alien quadrant.

Then, Janeway, Harry and Tuvok spend the next 2 hours trying to get their friends out, and their ship back.

That would have made a better episode than what we got.

More exciting maybe, but I don't see any of these ideas as being particularly likely or fitting to the series. What's Janeway going to do, become a fugitive from the Federation?

 

[kissthestar]

I think it was decent for a finale, but I agree that I would liked to have seen more of the crew's time on earth after they returned, especially Seven and Janeway.

I agree. There should have been some time devoted to landfall, especially after all that heartburn about getting back home.

 

[Saxman1]

They should have had them get home about halfway through the last part, then used the rest for closure scenes on Earth.

Another popular opinion was to have them get home a few episodes before the end and close it out that way.

DS9's finale had a lot of closure - Though some say there was too much, I liked it though.

DS9's finale was great IMHO. It had all that closure because as the "stepchild" of the ST franchise, the creative team had been told that would be it for that part of the ST universe (no spin-offs, movies, etc.). Yes, later there would be reboot novels but every time I comment on ST literature I get myself in trouble, so I'm shutting up.

 

[Penguin]

It has been Donkey's ages since I viewed the complete "Endgame"

I remember wanting to see Paris,B'Lanna (sp) and the Baby together and shot of the Baby.

Also wondered why Janeway, after Borg Queen dies, didn't hop on Delta flyer and leave.

another problem: Janeway basically changed the history of the time line when she killed borg Queen and assured that Voyager would enter the Alpha quandrent years before it originaly had.

Would Chakoty and Seven got together and married in th new timeline history. Would Kim captain the Rhode Island?

Miral, she grew up until her teen years in the first version of the time line and in the second she was a baby when Voyager entered the Alpha quadrent. So, she would have had a different upbringing than growing up on voyager.

When you play wiht time it gets trickey.

 

[Gojira]

Yeah, my first post. I have mixed feelings about Endgame. Even though I generally like time travel stories this one seemed unnecessary. They could have gotten home without the older Janeway coming to the rescue. For me two Janeway's was too much...and I like her character! It does have suspense and action and they do get home in once peice so it isn't all bad.

 

[ria 75]

Welcome, Space Therapist.
Don't be too shy to go to the "welcome" thread in the different forums you visit and to the Red Shirt Lounge in Ten Forward for a general introduction and free chat. It even has games.

I look forward to reading more of you.

 

[Infern0]

This episode was the biggest load of crap i've ever seen, In my opinion Voyager should have got home midway through season seven, then we could have had a few episodes set in the alpha quadrant showing them re-adjusting to life on earth. You should read Homecoming, its as close as you will ever get to a decent series end