Were Tuvok and Neelix aware Janeway killed Tuvix? I'd like to have seen a followup episode that further elaborated on wheter Tuvix and know what Janeway did, or if they have any memories of it. Do you think Tuvok and Neelix would have agreed with her decision? I don't think Tuvok would, starfleet legality and all.
Were Tuvok and Neelix aware Janeway killed Tuvix?
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From the look on Tuvok's face in sick bay, I would say, "yes".
Riddles.
Tuvok gets brain wiped.
Later Neelix convinces the new personality inside new Tuvok to kill himself, so that OG Tuvok can make a come back.
Tuvok gets brain wiped.
Later Neelix convinces the new personality inside new Tuvok to kill himself, so that OG Tuvok can make a come back.
Well, at the end of the episode Janeway says: it's good to have you back, mr. Tuvok, so even if he drew a complete blank, he'd have to wonder why she just said that, after all he was only at the surface of that planet for an hour or so 
I think just as Tuvix had all the memories of Neelix & Tuvok, Neelix & Tuvok had all the memories of Tuvix.
There's a later episode where the incident is mentioned, but I don't remember if Samantha is the one who referenced it, or Neelix himself(in a conversation between them).
There's a later episode where the incident is mentioned, but I don't remember if Samantha is the one who referenced it, or Neelix himself(in a conversation between them).
This is one example of Voyager writers handwaving what should have been emotional consequences of a previous episode. Tuvok may have found a way to accept the logic of her decision, but Neelix would have probably had some survivor's guilt at least.
Vulcan philosophy would agree with Janeway 'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'. But as a starfleet officer, first and foremost, Tuvok would have a hard time accepting Janeway's decision.
I was just thinking it had been awhile since we had a Tuvix thread.
It's kind of a biased question to begin with. If she hadn't done anything, she would've "killed" the individuals Neelix and Tuvok, who'd been combined in a way that neither of them ever gave consent to to begin with. They would be thankful for having their individual lives back. For Tuvok, in particular, that meant he could return to his family. A bizarre episode.
She wasn't willing to kill a vidiian to save Neelix in a previous episode
Memory Alpha. Too much Informaiton.
Wait?
That Happened before Naomi was Born!
Either she heard other people tell the story, or Neelix and Tuvix used to tell story to Sam's belly... AND NAOMI REMEMBERED THE DIFFERENCE IN QUALITY AND CREEPINESS!!
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It's one of the more interesting questions, because there really was no easy answer.
Usually, Janeway made the wrong decision and I found her to be incompetent, but here, I'm not so sure she did the wrong thing.
I don't even think it was a matter of "needs of the many" either. I think as tough as a decision it is, Janeway had to figure out a) what Tuvok and Neelix would want, since they had no ability to give their side, and b) balance that with Tuvix's needs.
This was a rare, thought provoking episode of Voyager, which still has no slam dunk answer, not unlike Measure of a Man.
If I were the judge, it would take a lot of thought, but I think I would side with Tuvok and Neelix. They weren't dead. The ability to bring them back proves that. They were here first. It really comes down to that.
Usually, Janeway made the wrong decision and I found her to be incompetent, but here, I'm not so sure she did the wrong thing.
I don't even think it was a matter of "needs of the many" either. I think as tough as a decision it is, Janeway had to figure out a) what Tuvok and Neelix would want, since they had no ability to give their side, and b) balance that with Tuvix's needs.
This was a rare, thought provoking episode of Voyager, which still has no slam dunk answer, not unlike Measure of a Man.
If I were the judge, it would take a lot of thought, but I think I would side with Tuvok and Neelix. They weren't dead. The ability to bring them back proves that. They were here first. It really comes down to that.
Too bad they couldn’t have created a transporter duplicate of Tuvix and just sacrifice one of them.
A second Tuvix would have unfairly trapped a second Neelix, and Tuvok, inside him, and also the original Tuvix would have still been murdered.
What if, having restored Tuvok and Neelix, one or both of them expressed that they actually preferred being Tuvix? Sure they were merged without consent, but what if, after the fact, they express consent? What then, Kathryn? What then? 
Janeway's "it's good to have you back" moment only shows that she made the decision for her own selfish reasons, ie that she missed Neelix's cooking (because, f*** Tuvok
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Janeway's "it's good to have you back" moment only shows that she made the decision for her own selfish reasons, ie that she missed Neelix's cooking (because, f*** Tuvok
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Or more likely, Neelix has told her the story, since he's like her godfather/surrogate father and babysitter, and tells her bedtime stories every night.
Eh, this is moot. Did "Tuvix" care that he "killed" Tuvok and Neelix? There was no Tuvix. He was the result of a transporter accident, nothing more. The accident was corrected. It's a fun episode, but did the evil James Kirk and the good James Kirk have the "right" to exist separately because of an accident? No, the only person who had any "rights" was the whole James Kirk.
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