Were Tuvok and Neelix aware Janeway killed Tuvix?
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I'd like to think the circumstances of the creation of life are irrelevant to it's right to exist. The fact is, Tuvix did exist, had a will of his own and didn't want to die.
Not really. If someone dies in a car accident a doctor is not guilty of murder because they weren't able to re-animate the corpse. Tuvix was brand new lifeform created out of dna of two dead people. Janeway just found away to bring the dead back through humoid sacrafice making her actions a cross between Doctor Frankenstein and the Wicker people. Jason
So if live is created by an accident it has no right to live?
Don't forget the Ocampan Lung.
Tuvix was 1 percent Ocampan Space God.
With Kes' magic powers, Tuvok's control, and Neelix's fat ass, they were a special type of Composite being that Could have taken Voyager aaaaall the way home after 8472 leveled up their powers.
Tuvix was 1 percent Ocampan Space God.
With Kes' magic powers, Tuvok's control, and Neelix's fat ass, they were a special type of Composite being that Could have taken Voyager aaaaall the way home after 8472 leveled up their powers.
If they could be revived, they were not dead.
No, if it's accidentally created without the consent of the two individuals who most likely want their identities and lives back, it has no right to live. That's the beauty of this episode. It raises such profound questions.
Personally, I'd hope someone would rescue me. I wouldn't care one bit about the shared entity, to save myself.
I don't think you would care if it were you. You'd just want to be saved. Life? What if the accident created a sentient flower? After all, the third DNA was from the plant.
Remember when Torres was split into two people, one fully human and one fully Klingon by the Vidiians? Would either of them have a "right" to stay that way? What if one of them wanted to stay but the other didn't? Either way, I'd say "no", because what they are wasn't theirs to keep.
Ok, what if one of the Kirks wanted to die in that state, because it was their right? I don't think it matters. And I disagree with Tuvix being "healthy" the two individuals that he was composed of were certainly not healthy. They were in fact not quite themselves.
Just because someone can be brought back from death doesn't negate their death. Tuvix being born is kind of like a mom dying during child birth. Just because you could kill the baby and use it's dna to bring the mom back it would be wrong. The moment Tuvik was created he was a new and unique person even if his creation was by accident and through a unusual way. Once someone is born it doesn't matter how it happens when it comes to how this new person is treated. Jason
Would her decision have been any different if the situation had been reversed? Say, both Klingon and Human B' elanna got saved from the Vidiians, got aboard, could survive, and both expressed a desire to do so (independently)? Or is it about who was there first ? (i.e. Tuvix, Neelix and the human/klingon hybrid B' elanna have the older rights).
Two B'Elannas?
The DeLanney sisters would have lost their niche, as the sexy twins.
Twins dressing the same is the worst.
Poor girls.
You'd think that they would have tried to go onto different divisions, just so one of them was in gold and the other in blue, so that morons could distinguish them.
The DeLanney sisters would have lost their niche, as the sexy twins.
Twins dressing the same is the worst.
Poor girls.
You'd think that they would have tried to go onto different divisions, just so one of them was in gold and the other in blue, so that morons could distinguish them.
but Tuvix is not an offspring, he is a combination of two still living people. Everything that Tuvok and Neelix know, and all their memories, are still there within Tuvix. They both still exist, and can be restored.
What if, having restored Tuvok and Neelix, one or both of them expressed that they actually preferred being Tuvix? Sure they were merged without consent, but what if, after the fact, they express consent? What then, Kathryn? What then?...
The same thing happened to Odo and he was happy being two people at once! So why not?
I'd like to think Tuvok and Neelix retained memory of their time as Tuvix.
I'd like to think one or both of them had conversations with each other and/or Janeway about their experiences as Tuvix and how they felt about said experiences.
Isn't it oh-so-easy to judge the situation if you write off Tuvix as an accident and negate the possiblity that he was anything more than that?
Also, nobody is ever willing to offer a good answer to the question of how long Tuvix would have to exist before he had a right to do so. If Tuvix exists for ten years and then The Doctor finds a way to separate him, is his ten years of existence irrelevant? Is he doomed to live his life under perpetual threat of annihilation?
I'd like to think one or both of them had conversations with each other and/or Janeway about their experiences as Tuvix and how they felt about said experiences.
Isn't it oh-so-easy to judge the situation if you write off Tuvix as an accident and negate the possiblity that he was anything more than that?
Also, nobody is ever willing to offer a good answer to the question of how long Tuvix would have to exist before he had a right to do so. If Tuvix exists for ten years and then The Doctor finds a way to separate him, is his ten years of existence irrelevant? Is he doomed to live his life under perpetual threat of annihilation?
They could have done a shared-custody kind of thing. two weeks tuvok+Neelix (since there are two of them) and one week Tuvix. Although One week T+N and One week Tuvix makes even more sense.
The Transporter crap is a real mess but according to some episodes (like this one) it's based exclusively on DNA, in that case, Neelix should have had his own two lungs back the first time he used one (same thing for Kes). But as always in the ST franchise... ANYTHING GOES!!!
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