Were Neelix and Kes sexual?
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Ally has shown up a couple times in Psyche as a serial killing super villain nemesis.
A surprisingly good fit.
Now if you want to talk about ageing badly.
Judd Nelson.
It's like the second the Breakfast club finished, he started looking like my middle aged dad.
I did not recognize him at all in jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. i saw his name in the credits, tracked back to who he must have been and slapped my TV, calling it a "*&^%ing *&%$ face bit*&% smelling liar".
A surprisingly good fit.
Now if you want to talk about ageing badly.
Judd Nelson.
It's like the second the Breakfast club finished, he started looking like my middle aged dad.
I did not recognize him at all in jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. i saw his name in the credits, tracked back to who he must have been and slapped my TV, calling it a "*&^%ing *&%$ face bit*&% smelling liar".
Is this your first ever emoticon?
:: takes a snapshot ::
I'll admit it, I was a bit in love with Molly Ringwald back in the day.
saw the stand recently.
my heart skipped a beat.
But a pimple faced Corrin Nemmic was playing her boyfriend, so Dinosaurs must have still been walking the Earth...
Again she had an episode last year on Psych as a sexy nurse.
The word sexy is kinda redundant when talking about Molly.
She's been in 84 episodes of the Secret life of the American Teenager.
Oh.
I'm conflicted.
I thought this was a line I wouldn't cross, a depth I wouldn't plumb, a hurdle i wouldn't leap, a...
my heart skipped a beat.
But a pimple faced Corrin Nemmic was playing her boyfriend, so Dinosaurs must have still been walking the Earth...
Again she had an episode last year on Psych as a sexy nurse.
The word sexy is kinda redundant when talking about Molly.
She's been in 84 episodes of the Secret life of the American Teenager.
Oh.
I'm conflicted.
I thought this was a line I wouldn't cross, a depth I wouldn't plumb, a hurdle i wouldn't leap, a...
Pit you wouldn't sink into.
Oh well, now at least you've tasted it.
Oh well, now at least you've tasted it.
But I haven't.
I haven't.
I haven't tasted the Secret Life of an American Teenager.
Damn IMDB is just giving me these damn disturbing and unnatural urges.
Urges for the secret life of the American teenager that I should ignore.
Oh Molly.
You sweet angel.
You will be mine.
You will be mine.
I haven't.
I haven't tasted the Secret Life of an American Teenager.
Damn IMDB is just giving me these damn disturbing and unnatural urges.
Urges for the secret life of the American teenager that I should ignore.
Oh Molly.
You sweet angel.
You will be mine.
You will be mine.
Just call yourself a completist. You can watch anything then.
Eh...in Guy's case, the more stupid sounding and self reflective the post is, the more you have to credit his viewpoint, (Though we can dispute it) disturbing as it may be
I can attest to how disturbing this may be, as well
I watched Heroes until it's last episode 
(Though Robert Kneffer S4 was better than any S2 or S3 storyline)
I think I killed my completist tendencies with Lost. Wish I'd gone with my instincts and abandoned ship, though I did have a thing about Locke which kept me plugged in.
Poor John.
He thought that he was the messiah.
but the poor bastard was only the warm up act for Hurley.
He thought that he was the messiah.
but the poor bastard was only the warm up act for Hurley.
My vote is No, simply because I now have the image in my head and it won't go away..
This kinda stuff makes people crazy, just like Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
Realistically.... What were they thinking (the writers) when they decided on the pairing?
There wasn't really a need for it, the character didn't have to be with Neelix to be on the show. She could have just been a guide, who was only supposed to be used to help find Kim and B'Lanna, but decided to tag along for the adventure and because her race wasn't self-sustaining; and she wanted a better life.
Why'd they write in the creepy relationship? Bleh. Plus, when they decided to end the relationship, they did it with really half-assed writing. It was never explained on screen? Gee, that totally makes sense, let's just make casual references to it and have Kes go through a phase where she is "finding herself" and hooks up with hunk of the week as an excuse to leave the show.
In universe, they probably got it on. Yuck.
This kinda stuff makes people crazy, just like Jack Nicholson in The Shining.
Realistically.... What were they thinking (the writers) when they decided on the pairing?
There wasn't really a need for it, the character didn't have to be with Neelix to be on the show. She could have just been a guide, who was only supposed to be used to help find Kim and B'Lanna, but decided to tag along for the adventure and because her race wasn't self-sustaining; and she wanted a better life.
Why'd they write in the creepy relationship? Bleh. Plus, when they decided to end the relationship, they did it with really half-assed writing. It was never explained on screen? Gee, that totally makes sense, let's just make casual references to it and have Kes go through a phase where she is "finding herself" and hooks up with hunk of the week as an excuse to leave the show.
In universe, they probably got it on. Yuck.
Thanks Guy for taking my thread and driving it into a wall. Come back to 32 replies and thought "Ooh a discussion". No, just someone being an idiot.
Also FWIW (not that I think you're replying seriously) paedophilia is the attraction to children who look like children. So it's completely irrelevant to this topic.
However my original question was does it feel right, their pairing. This is the thing about the Ocampa... they live nine years. Their way of life completely is different to Humans or other races we've come to know. The *portrayal* of Kes was initially childlike, full of wonder and innocence. Of course come season two she starts burning people up and stuff, so perhaps it'll be easier for me to get my head around it then.
Also FWIW (not that I think you're replying seriously) paedophilia is the attraction to children who look like children. So it's completely irrelevant to this topic.
However my original question was does it feel right, their pairing. This is the thing about the Ocampa... they live nine years. Their way of life completely is different to Humans or other races we've come to know. The *portrayal* of Kes was initially childlike, full of wonder and innocence. Of course come season two she starts burning people up and stuff, so perhaps it'll be easier for me to get my head around it then.
I thought the character of Kes and the Ocampa in general would have a hard time developing a civilization. There really isn't much time to grow and develop unless the race has an uncanny ability to learn and remember. It should be rather freaky, not to mention what the sleep cycle could be like for this species. Then the emotional changes that come with age, assuming the Ocampans do so with age, would come at an enormously accelerated rate from a humans perspective. At first she's a young teen, and by two or so years she's acting like shes in her 30's then in a couple more she's yelling at the 'kids' on Voyager to get the hell off her lawn.
On the other hand, any with a human life span or longer could come across very odd and changeless from the Ocampan perspective. The average human lifespan, let's say 70 years, would go back nearly 8 generations or more depending how you'd like to span it, many more if we call a generation the period from birth to child rearing age.
Perhaps, the very short lifespan is a result of their telepathic powers. They would naturally progress to Kes's stage and leave their physical bodies behind, only the Caretaker's interference has lost that knowledge to the Ocampa, held back by countless generations of well meaning but paternalistic unnecessary Caretaker shepherding. Add this in, and a relationship with a humanoid of such different life span would be pretty difficult, I should think. The rapid out of the blue break up with Neelix might be one of the more realistic things they did with them.
On the other hand, any with a human life span or longer could come across very odd and changeless from the Ocampan perspective. The average human lifespan, let's say 70 years, would go back nearly 8 generations or more depending how you'd like to span it, many more if we call a generation the period from birth to child rearing age.
Perhaps, the very short lifespan is a result of their telepathic powers. They would naturally progress to Kes's stage and leave their physical bodies behind, only the Caretaker's interference has lost that knowledge to the Ocampa, held back by countless generations of well meaning but paternalistic unnecessary Caretaker shepherding. Add this in, and a relationship with a humanoid of such different life span would be pretty difficult, I should think. The rapid out of the blue break up with Neelix might be one of the more realistic things they did with them.
And Some Kind of Wonderful (love retro).
Our first sight of Kes was as of a kazon slave girl with a black eye, our second was of Nelix's mistress he was kissing on a transporter pad calling sweetie with the utmost concern for her so much that he started a war between the Federation and the Kason Oogla by LYING to Janeway.
The dark side of starwars fanlore says that Jabba raped Leia in Jedi, and she'd only been a slave girl for a few hours. Kes had been a slave girl for months and the black eye proved nothing else more than that they beat her until she did what she was told.
I saw a woman who was broken and then saved.
So maybe she's hopelessly emotionally indebted to the man that saved her, but after being treated like a toy in the dark cold nights by a herd of kazon miners, he'd know that he had to stand back and wait for her to repair at her own pace as slowly as necessary, which meant no nookie, perhaps forever, but then, he loved her, so it didn't matter.
Oh.
Kodos, McCoy was 137 in Encounter at Farpoint. The average human life span might be easily double 70 years.
The dark side of starwars fanlore says that Jabba raped Leia in Jedi, and she'd only been a slave girl for a few hours. Kes had been a slave girl for months and the black eye proved nothing else more than that they beat her until she did what she was told.
I saw a woman who was broken and then saved.
So maybe she's hopelessly emotionally indebted to the man that saved her, but after being treated like a toy in the dark cold nights by a herd of kazon miners, he'd know that he had to stand back and wait for her to repair at her own pace as slowly as necessary, which meant no nookie, perhaps forever, but then, he loved her, so it didn't matter.
Oh.
Kodos, McCoy was 137 in Encounter at Farpoint. The average human life span might be easily double 70 years.
Gov Kodos, I too thought Kes' Ascension was normal for the Ocampans, and the Caretaker's interference was preventing it on Ocampa. I was actually surprised by Fury, though, I figured the Humanoid life of the Ocampa was merely their childhood, and they would live eternally in their ascended state.
Regarding the breakup, yea, that was off the wall. Kes gets possessed, breaks up with Neelix, then at the end of the episode, she realizes she needs to find herself, and you find out several episodes later, the break up stuck?
Regarding the breakup, yea, that was off the wall. Kes gets possessed, breaks up with Neelix, then at the end of the episode, she realizes she needs to find herself, and you find out several episodes later, the break up stuck?
Maybe that's what the forcefield around the city was really for. To keep the first couple generations of ascended state Ocampa inside the designated "safe zone" where Caretaker was prepared to look after them inside?
Good points... and...
Reminds me, how do they even survive? If they can only have one kid, and half are male, the race couldn't exist. Assuming the men could have babies it still would mean the race couldn't grow.
Odd plot hole there.
I assumed they were just so domesticated by the caretaker they forgot/didn't bother anymore. Rather than preventing, per se.
Reminds me, how do they even survive? If they can only have one kid, and half are male, the race couldn't exist. Assuming the men could have babies it still would mean the race couldn't grow.
Odd plot hole there.
I assumed they were just so domesticated by the caretaker they forgot/didn't bother anymore. Rather than preventing, per se.
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